Yarnell Fire -
08/28/2023 14:16
A5S-231653 FA STATE //
NE Stanton
False Alarm
Someone from Yarnell reported smoke --- here is what I gathered on it--- also if you SEE smoke, take video and photos next time.
NOW REPORTED AS A WILDLAND FIRE, LION FIRE:
08/28/23 1412 AZPHD-1277 PD QL0U (1522) Wildfire Lion Fire 34.208333, 112.675833
this will be a LIVE journal on this 8-28-23 False Alarm fire- and the Lion Fire.
another gps coordinates:
08/28/2023 14:16A5S-231653 FA STATE // NE Stanton - False Alarm - Yarnell Hill 34.2900, -112.638
-B429 (N911AZ- State Trooper) Bell 429 Global Ranger was in the air nearby appx 45minutes to one hour---appx 220pm-2:50pm timestamp range - flying appx the height of the Weaver Mountains - was reported at this point- marked one area it was around there today:
Some data to this specific flight I have saved yet gonna keep back channel but alerting locals to have "situational awareness" to foreign looking vehicles to your neighborhoods and aircrafts of all kinds.
It does not matter if it is one mile from your home or the aka staging process of many miles, folks.
It is up to us locals to keep a tight documentation to help any one person affected with their tort claim process if that time was to happen.
Document the type of vehicle(s)/aircraft(s) in case this barely reported fire becomes anything else.
we have the documented facts either saved or made public on social media.
I mean some of these PIOs make 80+ something thousand annually so let's make them earn those dollars for the disinformation we get over the decades...more you place public, the more they have to document too.
And for the fact that over ten years they still never told very crucial details to how I almost died but 19 did and how many lost a home or had damage. It is sad, folks.
This is not some "Chicken Little" story...we want that slurry drops and foam crap they spray out of our areas based on the fact we already have mining materials in our soils. Lives matter.
Common sense from the old miners, drillers, ranchers...if you do not add fire to fire--- most fires die out on their own --- it is when they need to burn acreage for their ill concepts of Forest Management, is it???---
is it follow the buck or get [____]ed? I say that because the ones on that YHF13' it would blow you away HOW MUCH they earn today folks.
State Trooper helicopter seen circling this area for approximately 45minutes and "keep in mind" & then the cell came in:
appx 3:10 pm cell was about here:
passed by Lake Pleasant 8-28-23 appx 3:15pm. heading South.
Nothing further yet to report.
Thank you, locals, for taking Wildland Fires serious
in our areas.
It matters.
Your situational awareness
will be you doing your part
to lessen Wildland Fire Firefighter Fatalities.
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Update 8-28-23 7:08pm: Lion's Fire? Thank you, locals, for the update.
08/28/23 1412 AZPHD-1277 PD QL0U (1522) Wildfire Lion Fire 34.208333, 112.675833
from my home it is 10.56miles:
Current Resource Status for AZ (Prepared 08/28/2023 23:03):
Locals, this is the current Incidents and what Crew belongs to which one:
Local Fire Districts: Unsure why the fire a couple weeks back we got notified ASAP but this one ---nothing yet - possibly due to it being further out vs. near highway 89 and only at 25 acres last reported.
Yarnell: So, Wildland Fire- LION FIRE was reported today 8-28-23 2:12pm yet nothing on their website or Social Media page yet and the fire is reported to be 3.97 miles away from Fire Department earlier today at 25 acres.
??? See:
Congress:
So, Wildland Fire- LION FIRE was reported today 8-28-23 2:12pm yet nothing on their website or Social Media page yet and the fire is reported to be 10.39 miles away from Fire Department earlier today at 25 acres.
??? See:
Peeples Valley: 6.91 miles away from Fire Department
nothing on their website or Social Media page yet-
Wickenburg: appx 15 miles away
nothing on their website or Social Media page yet-
I, Joy A COLLURA, start watching not by acreage burned but I watch any fires over 500 degrees taking place not only in the USA but wherever.
For that is key...learning the heat is also a way to learn will that fire become a "big box theory"? or one of the Large fires for the Fire Season?
I watch the origin of the fire from many outlets as where they report it and elsewhere-
and I do my best to get someone to verify it in person if able/possible.
Then I watch the progression of the fire and many times I can tell who is fighting the fire just by watching the progression
but a very important tool for my tool box is those burn scars; prior, this season and future ones.
I want to teach the common person about tort claims vs. relying on people saying join a class action suit.
Tort claims hold value to only certain folks so gain the situational awareness before a Wildland Fire hits your property to know what to look for when documenting because time is of the essence to file one successfully.
Document, document, document.
Read some old posts and learn tidbits.
How many days has it been since our communities seen a Wildland Fire? ---
15 days, 11 hours, 35 minutes and 35 seconds:
Let us keep Wildfires to a burned acreages minimum --- and use the other options to work on our land management concerns. I am all for burning if we have the right trained people behind it that we can trust. Since they failed so many of us on the Yarnell Hill Fire 2013 --- I will do my best to make sure less retardant is dropped and if you need some "wake up" images as to why ... reach me.
If they want to burn elsewhere --- go for it --- just keep away from our Crested Saguaro deserts filled with adits, caves, drifts and mines that carry so much toxins---arsenic, cyanide, mercury and more...
Our desert is filled with miners, loggers, drillers and retired folks who prospect and time to time drifters.
You want to make a living ... try elsewhere ... I am the Arizona Desert Walker and I will do all it takes to protect needless burning of cacti and saguaros in heavily toxin soils with much datura plants around our area.
And there are other methods to make areas safer ---
I have many folks watching and documenting to keep back channel because we want to see how you all handle this area.
I am your unofficial housewife playing the real role of being a straight up public information gal with documented facts...
Keep you informed by tomorrow night.
Good night -
I documented the past 10 hours, 30 minutes and 36 seconds.
Please sign my petition .. be the change we for sure need:
1:21am 8-29-23: sometimes Wickenburg Sun puts stuff out on Social Media;
typed in WICKENBURG SUN:
at 445pm= no report yet on my map:
2:38am 8-29-23 Might as well stay up until their morning briefing on what is next...
Initial Attack / Initial First 18 hours is so important to document for me.
8-30-23 12:26pm: I was blocked from getting on PC yesterday so trying now with low bandwidth and currently being shadow banned online too...but doing my best to get the data out to you locals:
2023 Wildland Fire Season Public Records Request
Entity: Southern Yavapai Fire (9000 S Magby Dr, Kirkland, AZ 86332)
Current Entity's Master Record(s) for firefighters, Mutual Aid Agreement record(s), Red Cards in DFFM's system for their firefighters.
As well the August 2023 Resource Order for this entity.
email sent because my PRRs today are just circling even after clearing cookies and caches
still circling:
Cellphone Screenshots:
The Surveillance Cameras has yet to pick up any Smoke Columns in Yarnell, AZ just cute baby fawns :), see:
Yarnell FD reported on social media that SYFD was on the Lion's Fire but nothing on SYFD site or social media yet that they are:
As of 8-30-23 2:23PM: All we have so far is on Social Media YFD stated Chief Jeff Shearer was on it and Southern Yavapai...SYFD is a private entity and the only public records I can get records possibly going through their State Mutual Agreement and ask State because as a private FD they do not have to do public records requests so I put a request in today to find DFFM portal circling, so I screen shot it and emailed to DFFM PRR rep.
Tidbit Side Note: How many children or even adults can tell me they know the Constitution and their Constitutional rights... I know mine and I will do my best to lessen Wildland Fire Fatalities by any fire in a 33-mile radius overly document because that is what lacked for the YHF13'- sorry some think I was reporting on a false alarm fire, and they failed to see I also stated the Lion Fire.
8-30-23 3pm:
Post Completed 8-30-23 7:03pm- I usually keep an eye for a week to ten days after-
CONFLICTING DATA
BEING FACT CHECKED
AND
VERIFIED
ON 8-31-23
8-31-23 10:29am: DFFM sent me this:
and asked me to try again and I tried from multiple areas---no go, see:
So, YFD placed that data above today saying 50% contained when I emailed them last night this that it was 100% contained with source link:
I think some think when they copy from my posts and play off, they own them as their own idea vs. sourcing -
they fail to see I have documents of everything they look at- how long and if anything was copied from my site.
Right, Watch Duty ... we here all gather information to help build the data people look at to cover those areas in future posts.
Watch Duty recently was gathered from my site which I got that source Watch Duty this week from a California Heavy Equipment Wildland Fire Operator.
I never place my back-channel areas and use others in fire- their tools- what they use to learn information.
My tools are kept back channel to avoid them vanishing for my source and resources.
Where did YFD and Southern FD source how they learned about Watch Duty?
So, if in fact they used it from my post then I ask---why wouldn't they fact check the information I provided last night with a Public Information Officer from BLM/State versus using the map that has yet to be updated from Watch Duty.
I do my best to get up to date public information to the front to prevent that fire all of a sudden becoming anything.
Remember, I will place HOW I learn something if I am unable, I will share why...
So, to me I emailed them a legit source saying it was 100% contained yet they choose to place on their social media it is still at 50% contained so I emailed DFFM a PIO inquiry.
Now I will go look again if there is anything new on LION fire just because of this conflicting public data from YFD.
8-31-23 notebook snippets were emailed to Tiffany but reboot system three times and try on desktop now:
So, if you all want to learn if this fire is out-
you go to DFFM Public Record Request portal area --- but for now this is where we stand...
Years ago, Denise told me Jeff does my PRRs so I sent it to him too:
DFFM PRR still circling:
MY FOIA TO BLM 8-31-23:
2023 Wildland Fire Season Public Records Request.
One Named Publicly Entity: Southern Yavapai Fire SYFD (9000 S Magby Dr, Kirkland, AZ 86332)
Current SYFD Entity's Master Record(s) for firefighters in your system, Incident , Red Cards for their SYFD firefighters and any other fighting the August 28th LION Fire that is considered online as contained and closed.
As well the August 2023 Resource Order for this entity under BLM jurisdiction for the incident 2023-AZPHD-001277 LION fire.
LION FIRE started 8-28-23 and online shows conflicting containment percentage so looking for public records of Crew Time Reports, Resource Orders, Emergency Vehicle Shift Tickets, Incident Action Plans and any mapping for the LION fire.
As of 8-31-23 1:21pm- Conflicting reports on the LION fire containment yet I placed in the request for more data ... keep ya posted as I know it.
8-31-23 1:53pm:
CONFIRMATION NEWS: Yarnell and Congress folks shared to me today that 8-30-23 BLM vehicle with a side by side attached was seen in the morning and afternoon 8-30-23 on Highway 89 and asked of the LION fire was contained so I asked this to BLM:
OFFICIALLY CLOSED- LION FIRE from BLM jurisdiction PIO:
Thursday, August 31st, 2023 at 1:48 PM
J. Chris Wonderly
Public Affairs Specialist
Bureau of Land Management - Phoenix District Office
U.S. Department of the Interior
If you have any LION fire Public Information questions reach Mr. Wonderly here:
phone: 602-818-8295
email: jwonderly@blm.gov
I usually keep a close eye appx 7-10 days out past the time they close a fire in a 33-mile radius from me but being locals saw some things keeping back channel we will watch this for the month of September 2023.
Since it is closed and 100% contained then whomever wants to look at burn scars ... give it a bit and then you will be open to do that.
Very happy there is a growing interest and
"situational awareness" to learn the tools like me.
I am in a safe spot for 2023 and I will not be gathering burn scar data because I have online tools that do it for me.
I am glad to report they are reporting it is out for the LION fire...
yet always keep an eye like you all did yesterday for that
9-10 am reporting and 445pm reporting seeing BLM 8-30-23...Keep up that great work...your data matters.
We keep some data back-channel and give out what you saw but thank you for documenting it--- for the "just in case" moments we would need it...
I smiled hugely to see that you all get I am not the
"Chicken Little" story people did their smear campaigns on me for over 10 years ...
and it takes one time to look at the stories and images what happened after 2013/2016 to some very healthy folks. It is way beyond sad.
Our communities have vintage mining soil, adits, caves, mines, arsenic, cyanide, mercury, etc. ...Datura plant, other noxious plants, that tebuthiuron an elite rancher did tell a local person he put that down in our areas... so keep that slurry drop off "live" fire where it may likely change the chemical compounds...
just let us live our retired lives in peace...if you see a fire in our 33-mile radius, let it burn itself out --- look at the YHF13-16; in the name of protecting us where they ended up laying fire down...I challenge that until the day I pass on...too many areas and questions never answered and we are owed such ... God is watching but so are we now.
still showing after two email notifications and a CC from the official jurisdiction BLM and YFD still says 50% containment just because the app I offered this week and analytics shows who reshared it...and I gave official updates---????
Hopefully it changes ... we need up to date real information given to us locals from anyone making the Social Media decision to report on it publicly not when one feels like doing it or leave it to the Jurisdiction if you are unwilling to keep data fresh:
If YFD was waiting for Watch Duty to be updated- they (Watch Duty) refreshed their data THREE HOURS ago to 100%... ???
I expect more from any person who wants to report on fires near me
especially if playing Public Information role on Social Media areas...if they plan to update once a day then state here is our daily three pm update from YFD...use social media in a healthy informative fresh manner only:
Another professional area saying 100% contained:
closing this out with a contributing writer's text image I received 3:15pm 8-31-23- You can come back here the next thirty days for any updates and I will close out the LION fire post September 30, 2023.
Our moon:
4pm 8-31-23 update:
2023 Wildland Fire Season Public Records Request.
One Named Publicly Entity: Southern Yavapai Fire SYFD (9000 S Magby Dr, Kirkland, AZ 86332)
Current SYFD Entity's Master Record(s) for firefighters in your system, Red Cards for their SYFD firefighters and any other service the August 28th LION Fire that is considered online as contained and closed.
As well the August 2023 Resource Order for this entity under BLM jurisdiction for the incident 2023-AZPHD-001277 LION fire or any others resourced.
LION FIRE started 8-28-23 and online shows conflicting containment percentage so looking for public records of Crew Time Reports, Resource Orders, Emergency Vehicle Shift Tickets, Incident Action Plans and any mapping for the LION fire. GPS fleet data for Aug28, 28, 30, 2023 for any BLM vehicles, OHVs, side by side vehicles.
Thank you YFD...
which again is a mislead because it sounds like YFD left a voicemail, right? if one read that on their FB, but it came from my email:
------- Forwarded Message -------
From: Wonderly, John (Chris) <jwonderly@blm.gov>
Date: On Thursday, August 31st, 2023 at 1:48 PM
Subject: Lion Fire Status
To: arizona.desert.walker@protonmail.com <arizona.desert.walker@protonmail.com>
Hello, I received your voicemail asking about the Lion Fire. The fire is 100% contained. If you have more questions, please let me know. Thanks, Chris Wonderly J. Chris Wonderly Public Affairs Specialist Bureau of Land Management - Phoenix District Office U.S. Department of the Interior phone: 602-818-8295 email: jwonderly@blm.gov Website | Facebook | Twitter | Twitter (Fire Info) | Flickr | YouTube
YFD should have professionally just reshared like this vs. it being claimed you left them a voicemail- it is a word by word copy off here but should have looked like this:
Bureau of Land Management - Phoenix District Office U.S. Department of the Interior Public Affairs Specialist, J. Chris Wonderly On Thursday, August 31st, 2023 at 1:48 PM made a statement that Lion Fire is 100% contained.
That is all that is new.
If I am for taking the time to give the data freely yet I would really like to be shown either courtesy credit or reword things vs. a copy and paste of my own stuff that can come off like BLM was replying to YFD vs. me.
Right?
Do you think desert Steve Taylor thinks I gathered that data when he hit "like" on YFD post that the fire is 100% contained or he thinks YFD did the work and also took credit as if they did ???
That to me is disingenuous and misleading...
I guess in my research I seen way too many reshare improperly...
like one should share when gathering data from other sources---I source my data- I give others proper credit...
place a sample here:
the above link helps one to understand the type of respect I would hope to see ... it is a respect and integrity thing.
little side note mention:
Yeah, something like this when resharing from my site-
little sarcasm there... plug for the records that AZSF records went to LAPR was March 2013 months before the YHF13'...you will see why documentation is important and sourcing it is even more important. Just saying. Little dig there...
Right now, the Media and Fire Departments still like to give us data as they feel like it versus exactly how they obtain data and more promptly.
I have done more for the locals to get the data to the front, but someone swoops in and claims it as their own...on their social media is disingenuous.
It does not matter if it is intentional or unintentional. I deserve the proper respect if you use my data then credit the source.
If I do not see it- I will call it out no matter who you are.
I am truth.
I follow God to place the data as it comes ...
I question the others ... If I obtain data, I quickly give it with source(s). Why don't they?
They need to properly credit people vs. claim data as their own.
I want to make sure firefighters can do their best job "suppressing" a fire especially near my home knowing all the chemicals we have in our soils...especially after seeing how many have died or live with horrible health issues.
So, I am all for the public to view my personal journaling blog but as my Disclaimer shares--- reshare with proper credit or change it up to sound professional at least or I will call it out- right now it sounds disingenous ... since I know that was my email...Be different if one wrote this is a "re-share" and then the data.
Tired of the people who are okay with misleads and omissions or claiming data as if it was their own.
I do the hard work back channel and all I ask is the respect to state "reshared from a local" if one does not want to place my name there or the site name.
You will thank me later --- the more data we place out and the more we document and properly source, the more you learn about the tort claim process on what to gather so that when the time comes when a person has legal standing, we can help them do the difficult right thing. I know more than I speak but it has to stop on all this unprofessional bs I have seen over ten years.
If you make the time or energy to read my content here then properly reshare the data. It gets old watching it.
I, Joy, receive records from Arizona State Archives then I place on my journal those records and state who I got the records from...simple task, man...show that respect...
there I did to for ya:
now if YFD called and left a voicemail today after I did- to settle this---the timestamp of the above data on their email from BLM would clear if YFD got the same email content as me. Their time would be after mine.
Mine was today at 1:48 pm--- so if they got an email another time then clarity / more data if it was a misunderstanding...
but I have had a long history with YFD and this email is why I came to conclusion they just unintentionally "copy and pasted" without giving a source to me and claimed it as theirs like they made that call...facts are facts:
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'We are big fans of anything in the sky and that includes astronomical photography, but we were pleasantly surprised when we came across Andrew McCarthy’s photo of the 30 August Super Blue Sturgeon moon. Taken in Arizona southeast of Phoenix, the photo captures not only the moon, but an aircraft passing in front of the moon.'- "eyes in the sky" folks. twitter.com/AJamesMcCarthy/status/1697287016881467701/photo/1'''
