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Why Were Vital Human Factors Influencing the June 30, 2013, YH Fire GMHS Fatalities Never Revealed?

Author and Contributing authors: Fred J. Schoeffler and Lance Honda (RiP) and Joy A. Collura

Part 2 of 2 - Why Were Vital Human Factors Influencing the June 30, 2013, YH Fire GMHS Fatalities Never Revealed?

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Abbreviations used below: Wildland Firefighters (WFs) - Firefighters (FFs).

The authors - obviously being too clever by half - miscalcualted, mismeasured, mistakenly underestimated the halfway mark on Part 1 of 2 - Why Were Vital Human Factors Influencing the June 30, 2013, YH Fire GMHS Fatalities Never Revealed?

Continuing to consider now (below) several of the human factors discussed and inferred from the text (above), with several more that relate to this important, yet (un)intentioanlly neglected subject area.


Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thessalonians 5:21 KJ V


The authors intentionally restate the following section here to reconsider the bulk of the Human Factors implied within, and inferred from, the text of the AHFE paper. And, of course, lest we forget, like the SAIT did - oh wait - their's was intentionally masterminded to square with the "we will never know" ruse for the Kool-Aid Drinkers, Sheeple, and other gullible, (un)intentionally naïve non-thinkers. Gotta love those career bureaucrat, Team Players, and the squishy Go-Along-To-Get-Along, obsequeous syncophant crowd. How are all you Snowflakes doing out there?

G. Wildland Firefighting Rules - Human Factors, Human Errors, and Human Failures

All WFs [and municipal and structural FFs enaged in wildland fire] are trained in specific rules, crucial to follow to ensure good direction, leadership, safety, and vigilance. The strict Standard Fire Orders, organized purposely and sequentially, are to be carried out sensibly on all wildfires.[1, 2, 3] The 18 Watch Out Situations, (i.e. guidelines), are faced on all fires, more to warn of impending dangers. The authors and experienced WFs contend that knowing and abiding by the wildland firefighting rules works. They urge sound leadership and safe decisions.[6] There are no documented wildfire fatalities when the Standard Firefighting Orders are followed and the cautionary 18 Watch Out Situations (10 & 18) are mitigated.[14] Sadly, there is a crusade afoot by current and former WFs and Managers to discredit these based on the SAIT conclusion, i.e. basically “they did everything right and still died.”[4] The most critical of the established Wildland Fighting Rules are listed in the (NWCG) Incident Response Pocket Guide (IRPG).[1, 2, 15 ]Again, if WFs follow the Standard Firefighting Orders and are alerted to the 18 Watch Out Situations, much of the risk of firefighting can be reduced saving tens of thousands of WF lives each fire season. [1, 4] It is well-known and accepted in the WF community that these tried and tested rules work when applied consistently and with sound, decisive judgement.[1, 2, 4, 6, 9 ] (all emphasis added)


G.1. Willingness to Properly Refuse Risk and former Turn Down Protocol.

It is largely agreed upon that wildland firefighting is a quasi-military venture; one is to obey orders unless they are unsafe, illegal, unethical, or immoral.[1, 2] It is located in the IRPG - ironically on page 19. [15] Confidently, it is safe to say that all WFs and FFs (notably supervisors) will be placed in these vexing situations often during their careers. Most of you reading this post will relate because you've been there at least once, right? And be assured that most of you WFs and FFs actually have been sent to "Division Siberia" (somewhere cold and mopped up) for failing to accept an unsafe assignment. Most importantly - in every instance - these supervisors must satisfy their critical supervisory duties to ensure their respective individual and shared safety and welfare - no matter what! So then, why did the GMHS leaders fail to heed this solemn supervisory duty to protect their men from unecessary risk and eventual harm on June 30th?

G.1.1. Ostensible Former Marine Corps and Military Quasi-ingrained Influence to Follow Orders

On June 30, ... the [three GMHS Marines] ... had a mission to accomplish [to] ... protect the community of Yarnell —and just like their time in the Corps, they were willing to lay down their lives to achieve that goal.” (emphasis added) Marine Veterans Among 19 Firefighters Killed. (online) Cpl. Chelsea Anderson. (Jul 24, 2013)

... Every [GMHS] knew that they were gonna protect ... Yarnell. And if they laid down their life, it’s just like the Marines, they knew what they had to do and there couldn’t be any more honorable way to die than the way they died.” (emphasis added) PFD Wildland Division BC

Marine Vet Killed Fighting Wildfire. (online) Posted by Member 26835147 (August 2, 2013)

The Morality of Obeying Stupid Orders by John Reed (Viet Nam Tean Leader) (October 6, 2015) with excerpts from his video In a Time of War (2008) by Bill Murphy, Jr. "There is no need to question every order, just orders that may get you or those you supervise killed or injured engaging in an activity that either should not be done at all or that should be done more intelligently." John T. Reed's blog about military matters.

The authors and many other WFs and FFs - both current or former military and non-military - feel that there was at least some influence from above on them to "follow orders." And the authors and many others feel that was the case on June 30, 2013, when Acting Supt. Steed reluctuntly yet dutifully, as a former Marine, followed orders and led his men off the Weavers and "the black" into oblivion. Be sure to read well the former Doce Fire interactions (below) and Steed's most prescient comment. Risk Management and Systems Analyst Gordon Graham says "What's predictable is preventable." (emphasis added) FireRescue1 December 11, 2019.


Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Psalm 1: 1-6 (KJV)


G.1.2. Risk Assessment, Gut Feelings, Intuition

According to David Clancy, Human Safety Systems (AU): "At some point, all firefighters will be required to make judgment calls on risk. The trigger for this risk decision may be just a feeling that they have. This “feel” is often difficult to quantify but is based on knowledge and skills gained over time for making sense of the environment. Gut feelings, intuition, and professional judgment play a strong role in the overall risk management process when fighting wildfire. The importance of judgment calls in risk management links back to the overarching concept that risk is subjective and contextually driven (Adams 1995, Reason 1997, Clancy 2005, Sadler et al. 2007). The decision-making process is continuous so there are ongoing opportunities to decide what is or is not acceptable.(emphasis added)

There is intentional simplification and unintentional simplification. If you have intuitive impressions, are you backing them with facts? Fact-check your intuitive feelings. Intentional simplification may have ulterior motives. For example, your supervisor may want to increase productivity at the expense of safety.

This occurred several times for the GMHS on the June 30, 2013, Yarnell Fire, both before they were engaged on the Weaver Mountains and certainly as Steed was arguing with Marsh on the GMHS Crew Net channel during their strained "discussing our options" radio conversation while they were safely "in the black." Recall from Part 1, PFD Willis at the July 2013 GMHS Deployment Site News Conference video:"no firefighter is satisfied sitting in the black, in a SZ watching the fire progress below them." More of "The Prescott Way"?

On June 30, 2013, the GMHS was still assigned to the Doce Fire and a few other misc. ABC lightning fires on the PNF when they were ordered for the Yarnell Hill Fire. This occurred even though they were told by Marsh that they were "unavailable" for reassignment with many staying up way too late for what was to befall them. While enroute to the YH Fire, Steed met with two USFS employees he had worked with on the Doce Fire the week or so prior. They casually asked Steed how things were going. And Steed matter-of-factly replied "The way things are going Marsh is gonna get us all killed." This conversation was heard by both of these USFS employees during the GMHS travel to the YH Fire.

And on several occasions, several years after the fire this conversation was recounted several times, with the authors, and on one occasion, in the presence of a retired USFS wildland firefighter, so it's considered credible eye witness testimony to these former Doce Fire USFS employees; and credible Hearsay Evidence to the rest of us.

G.1.3 AZ Revised Evidence 803

The following are not excluded by the rule against hearsay, regardless of whether the declarant is available as a witness:

(1) Present Sense Impression. A statement describing or explaining an event or condition, made while or immediately after the declarant perceived it. (2) Excited Utterance. A statement relating to a startling event or condition, made while the declarant was under the stress of excitement that it caused. (3) Then-Existing Mental, Emotional, or Physical Condition. A statement of the declarant's then-existing state of mind (such as motive, intent, or plan) or emotional, sensory, or physical condition (such as mental feeling, pain, or bodily health), but not including a statement of memory or belief to prove the fact remembered or believed unless it relates to the validity or terms of the declarant's will. (emphasis added) Source:

Therefore, this is compelling evidence of the credibility of gut feelings and intuition addressed above. And even more so, it is chilling to think that Steed, in spite of this notion and arguing with Marsh over their discreet Crew Net frequency, about leaving their Safety Zone "in the black" somehow compelled him to lead his men downhill into steep chimneys and chutes choked with dense, volatile chaparral, into one of the possible firing operations raging upslope as seen in Part 1 of 2 in Figures 1, 2, and 3. above. It's disturbing and at the same time numbing and stunning.

G.2. Plan continuation bias.

A very potent, unconscious cognitive penchant, impeded the GMHS’ ability to know they needed to change their course of action. Avalanche fatality scholars note that people generally have a strong bias for sticking with what they have now and let their minds default to what is given or what has already been decided. They rely on stay-the-course impulses all the time, often with deceptively satisfactory results.[18] According to a Wildland Fire Safety Training Refresher (WFSTAR) poster, it was ‘52 minutes from the blowup to the burn over,’ [4, 19] (Figure 12. directly below); yet it appears that the GMHS failed to notice and safely respond to obvious deteriorating fire weather and increasing adverse fire behavior and subtle to obvious human factors cues indicating that conditions were exponentially shifting during that time period. Instead, they were “discussing our options” about whether to stay or re-engage. And in a word - the totality of it all was virtually screaming to them to ‘stay put and stay in the black.

A mental blackout that appears to have completely impaired their intelligence assessments and decision making. Not only did they not see what they were seeing, their governing assumptions about their threats were just wrong, whether based on myth, fantasy, or plain wishful thinking.

(Kaplan 2017)

Figure 12. Blowup to Burnover poster. 52 minutes for Yarnell Hill Fire. Source: NWCG, WFSTAR

Wooden-headedness, the source of self-deception,” celebrated historian and author Barbara Tuchman wrote, is a factor that plays a remarkably large role in government. It consists in assessing a situation in terms of preconceived or fixed notions while ignoring or rejecting any contrary signs. It is acting according to wish while not allowing oneself to be deflected by the facts. (Kaplan 2017)

Why Dissent Matters: Because Some People See Things the Rest of Us Miss by William Kaplan (McGill-Queen’s University Press) ( ) How Israeli intelligence failures led to a ‘devil's advocate’ role. By Excerpt from Why Dissent Matters: Because Some People See Things the Rest of Us Miss by William Kaplan (McGill-Queen’s University Press) (Toronto Star) Sun., May 21, 2017. This type of self-inflicted blindness was commonly known to Israel and its leaders (battle-hardened rugged individualists until they decided to overcome that fault).

This is addressed further below in the G.16. Recommendations for Improvement to Thwart Groupthink - Israeli Defense Force (IDF) Tenth Man Rule section.

G.3. Steady Drift Into Failure Via Bad Decisions With Prior Good Outcomes.

Figure 12.1. Decisions and Outcomes Matrix Source: Schoeffler CAWRT PPT

The authors allege there is enough evidence of several instances of GMHS hazardous attitudes and actions support their drift into failure spanning from their first official Hot Shot status season in 2009 up until the YH Fire in 2013. These involved a repeated attitude of having to “prove ourselves” or “one-up” other HS Crews on fires, conspicuously due to their Municipal FD status.[9] One of the repeated statements made by Marsh was "we're GMHS and we think we can pull it off." For example, on the 2012 Holloway Fire in NV, their Crew Carriers were saved by an Oregon-based Contract Engine Crew in this VIMEO video (Figure 13. below). [9] Based on acquired public records, this was the second of three times another Crew had to “save their Crew carriers; on the Holloway (2012), Sunflower (2011), and YH Fires (2013).[9] GMHS Brandon Bunch was sick and tired of the GMHS Supt. always acting like he had ‘something to prove.’ According to author Kyle Dickman, “[H]e felt that under Marsh’s command, the Hotshots were always having to prove themselves” (p.54).[20] Is it safe to infer that the GMHS normalized deviance again and again? Or was it more so with sneaky good outcomes? [1, 2, 4, 9]

When I left, Eric had something to prove,” says Marty. “He was going to make that crew better than any other out there.” Former PFD GM (Crew 7) Crew Boss Marty Cole from 2004-2005. 19: The True Story of the Yarnell Hill Fire. Kyle Dickman (September 17, 2013) Outside magazine (online) ( )


Smoke Screen - Forest Service ignored information from hotshot leaders about Granite Mountain’s history of bad decisions - John Dougherty

"The Yarnell Hill fire investigation conducted by the U.S. Forest Service deliberately ignored information provided by a former hotshot superintendent that the leader of the Granite Mountain Hotshots had a documented history of making bad decisions in violation of basic wildfire safety rules, federal records and interviews reveal. (emphasis added)

"A second former hotshot superintendent also contacted the Forest Service investigation leader, Mike Dudley, and reported that his conversations with Yarnell Hill wildfire supervisors immediately after the fire pointed to human error by the crew's leaders as the only plausible explanation for what happen".(emphasis added)

Consider now two comments from the article above. Posted by: SOFR on 05/27/2016 at 5:13 AM - The truth is something the Forest Service has never wanted and never will. The truth is what gets people like these two guys blackballed for ever. The State knew they could count on the FS and there was no agency better to cover this mess up . They have lots of experience at it. Marsh wasn't the only one out there. There's still many more. Tragedy 19 men killed senselessly? YES, but the biggest tragedy is these corrupt agencies burying the truth. Where do they find these people?" (emphasis added)

Posted by: Mark Hostetler on 05/26/2016 at 9:09 AM - Thank you Dave Provencio and Fred Schoeffler for telling the truth. Experienced leadership and non-hero based decision making on a hotshot crew or any fire crew is what keeps young, relatively inexperienced, crewmembers alive. My son, who Dave knows so well, has been exposed the past 16 years to the most extreme wildland fires in history. He is now leading a hotshot crew and I fully believe he has remained alive and fire wise in part because at the age of 20 I guided him to join the Geronimo Hotshots rather than another hotshot crew. The sole reason I gave him was based on my own experience of working many seasons with the Geronimo superintendent at the time. I emphatically told him, "you are going with Geronimo", and that I completely trusted the experience and leadership of that superintendent, saying, "He will watch out for you and keep you alive." (emphasis added)


For it is not an enemy who reproaches me; Then I could bear it.

Nor is it one who hates me who has exalted himself against me;

Then I could hide from him. But it was you, a man my equal,

My companion and my acquaintance. Psalm 55:12-13

"Betrayal is probably the most devastating loss a person can experience. To be betrayed, the person must first experience trust in the betrayer. It is fairly impossible for you to be betrayed if you did not trust the individual in the first place. Therefore, the definition of betrayal involves the act of someone violating your trust in them". (emphasis added) Monica A. Frank PhD (Excel at Life)

Figure 13. Contract Engine Crew on Holloway Fire (2012) Subtitle: We saved GMHS Crew Buggies Source: Vimeo

Figure 13.1. Screenshot of Figure 13. video above. Source: Vimeo, John Dougherty, CAWRT PPT

Bad decisions with prior good outcomes. This was the second time that someone else "saved" the GMHS Crew Carriers. Helmet cam video reveals active fire behavior jumped fireline and threatening GMHS Crew Carriers without anyone there while a GMHS WF (Lookout?) can be seen in the upper to middle-left part of the screen (freeze-frame) running downhill along the abandoned fireline between (2:40-3:25).(all emphasis added throughout this IM post)

The author of this video posted on IM as Methods.Thisthread (below) is well worth reading. "Methods says at July 2, 2019 at 11:53 am ( )

"I am the person who recorded the 2012 Holloway Fire in Nevada when GMIH buggies were saved. They were located/working up the hill building handline and putting out spots with a helicopter. Marsh was acting DIV and managing other resources. After saving their buggies (what is caught on film), we were asked to bed down for the night (spike out) on the line and GM, as hotshots tend to do, went off and bedded down by themselves. They didn’t bed down in the green watered pasture with the other resources but instead in dry grass and had to wake up to fire out around themselves during the night."

Methods says July 2, 2019 at 11:55 am “That’s two incidents within a 24 hour period that I personally saw on the Holloway Fire in 2012.”

Methods says, “Thank you very much for that. All of this is extremely important!

Methods says

July 2, 2019 at 2:40 pm

"In my opinion, Hotshots don’t sleep or associate with other resources, even when spiking out. They are a self-contained resource that rarely needs any assistance from other resources so they stick to themselves. Plus, the watered green pasture had lots of cow pies so maybe they didn’t like the smell.

Woodsman says - July 2, 2019 at 5:44 pm - Thank you, Methods.

"Did Marsh work as a DIV on the same division as GM? Was your engine assigned to the same division?

"How did you hear about the fire creeping into GMs sleeping area? That’s really interesting. Appreciate it.


"Yes, Marsh worked on the same division as GM. I was an ENGB assigned to the same DIV and was working with them during the first 3-4 days before an IMT showed up.

We slept on the other side of the creek from them and heard them wake up that night.

WantsToKnowTheTruth says on July 2, 2019 at 7:59 pm - Reply to Methods post on July 2, 2019 at 2:40 pm


"Thank you for posting!

"One of the things we’ve been scratching out heads about here for some time now is that there appears to have been a THIRD ‘incident’ involving Granite Mountain on that same 2012 Holloway fire.

"Just before the start of their 2013 season ( which would become their last season ), one of GM’s Squad Bosses suddenly took another job and GM had to quickly fill that position. FOUR current GM came under consideration for that open ‘Squad Boss’ position and then went through a standard City of Prescott Human Resources ‘job interview’ process. "All the documents associated with those interviews are still sitting online at the following PUBLIC link via the WayBack Machine

"In those ‘job interviews’… ALL FOUR of the GM crew members talked about an ‘incident’ on the same 2012 Holloway Fire that involved suddenly having to RUN, and traverse drainages, and then ARRIVE at a Safety Zone and THEN still needing to ‘burn it out’, apparently to protect themselves AND their vehicles.

"ALL of the candidates told the job interviewers that the fact that they were able to “keep their heads” during this Holloway Fire incident should count towards them being considered for the open ‘Squad Boss’ position. Does that ‘ring any bells’ with you?

"The ‘incident’ at the 2012 Holloway fire that ALL of the GM Squad Boss candidates were mentioning does NOT sound like the same ‘incident’ were they simply ‘woke up’ and had to burn out around themselves.

"So we’ve been wondering if there were actually THREE ( separate ) ‘incidents’ involving Granite Mountain at this one single 2012 Holloway Fire.

"IMO, it sounds similar to the event that I caught on the video. Multiple members were running down the slope to get to their buggies; fire crossed drainages; I believe the crew members that made it down to the buggies ended up firing off around them. They may have assumed that they parked in a safety zone but it was literally in the green in a “V” drainage. Just my guess, but I can definitely account for two “bad decisions, with good outcomes” just on the 2012 Holloway Fire in Nevada.

Reply - WantsToKnowTheTruth says - July 3, 2019 at 12:29 pm

"Thank you, Methods. Yes. I agree. Looking at your video again at the following link… ( ) …there are a number of similarities between what you filmed and the ‘story’ that all 4 of the GM Squad Boss candidates were saying in their 2013 job interviews.

They all described it more like an event that involved the ENTIRE crew having to ‘make it to safety’ and then ‘burn out the Safety Zone’… but there’s no doubt that other details match what YOU filmed.

"Regarding your statement…

Multiple members were running down the slope to get to their buggies;”

"Again… yes. At least one ( the first? ) GM crew member to come ‘running down’ is clearly seen in YOUR video, on the left side of the frame, hauling ass down that ‘path’ and towards your location while you saved their vehicles.

"Based on how fast he was running… it looks like he would have reached your position right about the time you stopped filming. Do you, by chance, remember WHO that ‘first’ GM crew member you filmed running towards you was? Did he SAY anything when he reached your position? You know… like “Thank you”… or anything else?


"Regarding at least one of the ‘bad decision with a good outcome’ on GM’s part that you FILMED… I’m just curious about the circumstances there.

"Was that basically a fireline that ‘backed into’ that location ( since the wind was blowing AWAY from your position as you filmed )… or was it a ‘spot fire’ from something else that had been happening off-camera, out to the left?

"I’m trying to figure out how the hell that fire could have gotten that close to those $150,000 ( each ) vehicles without GM even frickin’ NOTICING. Method, In your opinion, what do you believe was the reasoning behind them not choosing a safer place to bed down? Thanks!


.4. Consequences of Inattention as Causal Factor.

This is another one that most WFs and FFs will readily recognize. Credible research on what is referred to as ‘inattentional blindness’ (IB) reveals that when someone is otherwise engaged, at times - they fail to “see” obvious clear, fully visible, yet unexpected objects or events. IB also leads one to miss items that one needed to experience.[2] If an event meets their belief(s), they may be more likely to exhibit IB for a sudden, possible critical visual event.[2] The authors and other WFs and FFs believe in our hearts that at least two (Former Payson Hot Shot - avid student of fatality fires and Warneke - Marine Scout Sniper with intense leadership training) of the GMHS had to take notice of what was occurring, and saying something of importance about the increased fire behavior and the critical human factors error chain that needed breaking.[2]

This likely occurred as they discounted so many signs and - failing to leave a lookout at their Lunch Spot or notifying Air Attack-hiked downhill into the friendly fire, raging uphill fire behavior from the likely Sesame Street - Shrine firing operation. (Figures 1, 2, 3.)[21] According to the USFS HS Supt. Quisling that actually possessed the "AFUE transcripts three-ring binder" they clearly indicated that "around the 1600 time frame" Marsh had repeatedly "ordered air support every 5-minutes" ahead of GMHS, "in their egress." [4] This follows the SAIT-SAIR statement by Marsh to Air Attack John Burfiend after witnessing a Lead Plane make a dry run. (SAIT p. 27) "[ASM2], Division Alpha, That’s exactly what we’re looking for. That’s where we want the retardant.” ASM2 Burfiend was supposedly the only one that heard it and insured that it be placed in the SAIT-SAIR. (emphasis added)

G. 5. Lunch Spot - When time stands still

This strange, yet documented phenomenon occurred on several fatality fires. Notably, the (1994) South Canyon Fire (CO) when and where numerous WFs hung out while the fire continued to progress. The second one was the (2002) Thirty Mile Fire (WA) when they had properly disengaged while the fire behavior progressed and willingly jumped into vans to assist some Engine Crews building fireline. Although, Squad Boss Tom Craven (RiP) intuitively knew they were in deep trouble when they arrived at their destination when he stepped out of their van stating "We're f**ked!" And of course, the third and most infamous is the (2013) Yarnell Hill Fire (AZ) where they spent hours watching the weather and the fire behavior below, all from the best view of the entire YH Fire except for Air Attack ,and the two YHF eyewitness hikers, Tex Gilligan and Joy A. Collura.

For all of them, it was as if they were oblivious to what was occurring around them as if time had literally stood still (at least in their minds); and then they re-engaged their respective fires that they were totally unfamiliar with, and unknowingly also unprepared to engage them safely.

G.6. Confirmation bias, also optimism bias, you start to see things that confirm your belief. Our ingrained nature is to be optimistic. You want to find you are successful and see it working.

The individual will also search for information that confirms the decision and ignore information that proves them wrong, confirmation bias.

Self-justification blocks the ability to learn from one’s own mistakes. Self-justification causes a blind spot at finding one’s own errors or those made by one’s respected colleagues. Self-justification is the primary enemy of reliability. The authors allege that the GMHS engaged in a lot of this behavior.

In situation awareness when the situation changes the people must alter the task. In confirmation bias we look for information that confirms our conclusion. It is challenging to recognize that bias in ourselves.

G. 7. Reductionism and The Logic of Failure - Recognizing And Avoiding Error In Complex Situations - The actions that lead to failure appear logical at the time

"People may reduce their hypothesis for problem solving into one element to make it easier to manage complex situations. This leads to the belief that if they can only correct that element or a specific person then things will become right. The reductive nature of this method, reducing things to the need for only one intervention, also interferes with identification of those elements necessary for a change in the system. As a result, the organization has incomplete knowledge of the system’s structure. "We can acquire knowledge of structure by probing with actions and evaluating positive and negative feedback. Positive feedback occurs when a change in one element enhances the desired element. Negative feedback occurs when a change in one element diminishes the desired element. The system may cycle back and forth with negative feedback used to make mid-course corrections looking like error. Is it really error or failure if we do not reach the desired goal? Confusing intention, what we would like, with motivation, what drives us, interferes with the actions necessary for success and clarification of our goals."

"Is it easier to achieve reluctance to simplify in a group setting? We tend to make it a simple problem with a simple solution. How you shape and define the problem helps you understand the solution. But some times we have a solution in search for a problem. Simplifying the problem and the solution can be dangerous." (all emphasis added)

Dorner, Dietrich. The Logic of Failure: Recognizing and Avoiding Error in Complex Situations. New York: Metropolitan Books, 1996. ( ) The Logic of Failure book summary. This is an excellent book if you're interested in this subject area.

G.8. Habituation is a gradual decrease of strength of risk sensitivity due to: Repeated exposure to stimuli, which creates a sense of familiarity. ... In this way, we can become complacent to risks that were previously being perceived as hazardous. The result of habituation is that the impact of the anxiety response weakens.

A lot of accidents happen in the domestic environment because we are too complacent. This usually happens to those who have many years of experience and in the meantime have lost their risk sensitivity. The fact that it still happens shows the strength of habituation. Habituation constantly challenges alertness and eventually tends to win. Science Direct Topics (accessed May 2021)

G.9. Tunnel Vision and Auditory Exclusion.

This human factor and psychological action is stunning and yet so accurate. And all of us have experienced this on wildland fires as well as our personal lives. You'll be able to relate to it immediately.

According to John Hopkins University researchers Yantis and others, “When attention is deployed to one modality, it necessarily extracts a cost on another modality. The brain can’t simultaneously give full at-tention to both.” [21] When the subjects directed their interest to visual tasks (“tunneling in”), the parts of the brain that record auditory stimuli registered decreased activ-ity. And when they focused on listening to spoken messages, brain areas that respond to visual images showed less activity. Perceptual distortions can occur at any point (e.g., when the information is received, retained, or recalled). The mind will see what it expects to see and miss or misinterpret other potentially significant details.[21]

In fact, this is such an exceptionally well-known hazardous injury and fatality causal human factor, that it requires critical training for those in law enforcement and the military. It's due time that those engaged in the wildland fire realm take the hint from their military and law enforcement brethren, and WFs and FFs should be required to do the same.

G.10. Groupthink

Listed in the IRPG as one of the recognized Hazardous Attitudes, the authors and many WFs and FFs deem it was Groupthink that led these men to follow their leaders to their death. Groupthink is the mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive group, when the members, striving for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action. [22] When a major proposition was the group’s that displayed groupthink symptoms, this was more likely to produce poor decision outcomes, more likely to display symptoms of defective decision making, resulting in poor policy outcomes. Group decision-making and decision-making support for a commander is acceptable. Military units utilize group decision-making techniques to develop tactical plans and recommendations that assist the commander in making decisions during battle. When groups work well they are more superior to individual decision making abilities.[22] In mountaineering, a group’s cohesion results from the shared pursuit of a shared goal rather than from strong social bonds between members. [23] Flawed decision making turned a hazardous summit attempt into a fatal one. Climbers fatally failed to adhere to the strict turn-around time. Favored directive leadership entails telling followers what needs to be done, and giving proper guidance along the way. [23]

What else would have led these GMHS men to follow their leaders to their deaths? Nobody held a literal or virtual gun to their heads or forced them to leave the safety of the black.

G.11. Destructive Goal Pursuit.

This concept should seem counter-intuitive to most of you as you read this. "Ignoring potential hazards and thinking only of what you set out to achieve, sets one up for disaster. Why would a group still pursue a goal despite mounting evidence that it could not be attained? ]24] In part, because research indicates that the greater the insecurity a group feels of their chance of achieving the goal, the harder they’ll try. With failure more likely, the more rooted they are.[24] Failure indicators then cause the group to put even more effort into achieving the goal. Why does this occur? Because it’s engrained in us. The more difficult the obstacle, the greater the achievement. Goals once set, are very hard to abandon. It’s difficult to let it go. Goals also actually limit learning. Goals cause people to take risks they might not think to take otherwise. A decisive point - wanting something badly enough can cause you to ignore your gut feelings. That’s destructive goal pursuit. Failure to develop individuals within an organization can be disastrous."

So then, what is the lesson? Teach WFs and FFs to make sound decisions for themselves, rather than be overly reliant on their leaders. Author and FF Bruce Hensler makes a statement in his Yarnell Hill Fire article, that is touted as accurate for those who drank the YH Fire and GMHS Kool-Aid and those that accept the SAIT-SAIR as truthful and trustworthy. "That wasn’t the case at Yarnell Hill. Eric Marsh and the [GMHS] were a cohesive and supportive group." However, many of us that worked with Marsh question that assertion. Then Hensler asks the question broached by Destructive Goal Pursuit author Kayes in his book by the same name [24]: "However, was Marsh too respected or members too trusting at the critical moment to question his leadership?" (emphasis added)

G.12. Friendly Fire.

In the military, this is a casualty circumstance applicable to persons killed or wounded in action mistakenly or accidentally by friendly forces. The military literature is plentiful. Unfortunately, military friendly forces incidents are quite common with a notable number of books and research on the subject. A similar circumstance occurs on wildland fires, there are a few familiar cases of errant firing operations to blame for WF deaths. [21] Notably, these are the: (1) Mann Gulch Fire (1949) on the Helena NF in Montana where 16 firefighters, were overrun by a firing operation ignited by the District Ranger, from the drainage below. And three WFs survived - two Smokejumper FFs and a Fire Guard, and 13 SJs were killed; (2) Loop Fire (1966), on the Angeles NF in CA where a firing operation below the El Carizo HS Crew killed them in a very steep, narrow chimney or chute; (3) McKenzie Fire (1994) on BLM land in AZ where three Prescott HSs, dropped off by helicopter, were unaware of a firing operation from a draiange below them; (4) and of course, the Yarnell Hill Fire (2013), the object of this post in discussion, when purportedly there was at least one of three separate firing operations that took place below them.

This is a notable quote from Ms. Warneke about the hazards of certain known, dangerous terrain, i.e. chutes and chimneys. "I had remembered a saying that my husband had once told me when we were deer scouting two years before. He said to never go into a canyon,” said Roxanne Warneke, the widow of one of the firefighters, at the news conference. “Descending into that canyon went against everything he was taught in advanced land navigation, that he had spent over eight years studying and practicing.” (emphasis added) Christian Science Monitor (6/30/15) Yarnell Fire settlement: not just money, but reforms to keep firefighters safer

G.13. USDA USFS and OGC Employee “Direction” and “Guidance” and the Obstructive Touhy Regulations and the Federal Housekeeping Statute

Between the “Touhy Regulations” [U.S. ex rel. Touhy v. Regan, 340 U.S. 462 (1951)] and the plenary 61-word Federal Housekeeping Statute, 5 U.S.C. § 301 [33], the USDA USFS has ensured that their BRHS and USFS AFUE employees will not be interviewed.[4, 25]This legal mine field all but ensures that there will be no ‘complete lessons learned,’ described by BRHS Frisby, regarding the relevant planned Staff Ride human factors, accuracy, and veracity, as addressed in the email excerpts below. Frisby and the BRHS hold a wealth of YH Fire and GMHS information from June 30, 2013. What is the USFS so deathly afraid of? Do you think it might be the truth maybe?

G.14. USDA USFS Blue Ridge Hot Shot (BRHS) Crew and YH Fire Staff Ride

Consider excerpts from an April 2016 email from BRHS Supt. Brian Frisby to USFS National Human Dimensions Specialist Joseph Harris regarding the YH Fire Staff Ride. BRHS Supt. Frisby noted: ".... the [YH Fire Staff Ride] picture being painted is very different than what we remember" and that "there was so much that went on that day that [was] swept under the rug" and "the human factors that day were off the chart." (emphasis added) [4] Per the odious Touhy principle warning and the 61-word Federal Housekeeping Statute, no BRHS was ever interviewed.[25].

Figure 14. BRHS Supt. Frisby April 12, 2016, email (Subject: "Human Factors") to USFS Human Dimensions Joseph Harris re: " a different picture being painted from what we remember ... human factors that day were off the charts ... [and] there was so much that went on that day that was swept under the rug that may have affected the outcome ..." (emphasis added) Source: USFS

The following is from an June 1, 2019, InvestigativeMEDIA post by WTKTT:


Apparently, Blue Ridge Hotshot Superintendent Brian Frisby is sick and tired of beiing told he can’t discuss what he knows ( and has ALWAYS known ) about the Yarnell Hill Fire.

According to Deborah Pfingston and former GM Hotshot Doug Harwood… Frisby spoke to an entire California Hotshot crew just last summer about what REALLY happened in Yarnell, and whatever he told them was enough for them to realize the SAIT investigation was a total FARCE.

In their ‘introduction’ to their PODCAST Episode 8, published just 5 weeks ago on April 24, 2019, Harwood ‘reads’ an email they received from one of the firefighters on this Hotshot crew that Frisby spoke to.

Our Investigation, Our Truth What Happened to the Granite Mountain Interagency Hotshots PODCAST Episode 08: Your Changes, Our Changes Published: April 24, 2019 (–Our-Changes-e3qqcb ) Episode 8, Part 1

+0:48 ———————————————————————————————————– Doug Harwood: We have a comment from a firefighter on a Hotshot crew in California. He says…“My crew was lucky enough to work with Blue Ridge last summer. On one of the slow days the Blue Ridge supe ( Brian Frisby ) took time to speak to our whole crew about the events of that day. Between THAT conversation, and listening to your podcasts, I’m appalled by the FAILURE of our original investigation. Not only was it an injustice to the perished firefighters, it’s a disservice to our current firefighters as well. How are we supposed to learn ANY lessons from the tragedy if we don’t know exactly what happened?”

Doug Harwood: We want to thank that firefighter for his message.

Deborah Pfingston: Yes. Thank you so much."(all emphasis added)


Have either of you ever thought about collaborating with us to determine "THE TRUTH"?

"We still have work on the horizon: the lessons learned, the truth of the death of our sons husbands and fathers,” said Deborah Pfingston, the mother of one of the firefighters. Christian Science Monitor (6/30/15) Yarnell Fire settlement: not just money, but reforms to keep firefighters safer


For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 1 Corinthians 14.8 (KJV)


G.15. Conclusion and Recommendations

Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints Ephesians 6: 11-18 (NKJV)


Researchers Robinson and Gleason noted the importance of 1994 South Canyon lessons learned. “If, as teachers of history will tell us, failing to learn the lessons of the past dooms us to reliving those lessons, then we must either impress indelibly into the minds of fire-fighters the lessons of the South Canyon Fire or we will again experience its tragic outcome.” (emphasis added) (Gleason, P. And D. Robinson (1994). After the Fire, a Still Small Voice. In R. Bartlette and K. Close (Eds), Fire Management Under Fire - Proceedings of the 1994 Interior West Fire Council Meeting and Program. Pp. 191-199 ) ( )

Moreover, the excellent Student of Fire website commenter identifying as "Matt" eloquently adds: “It is unforgivable that we allow sentiment and tradition [to] prevent us from learning anything from the human factors surrounding Yarnell because we continue to be blinkered and sentimental in our eagerness to ‘not speak ill’ of the dead. It is nothing short of astonishing that the official conclusion was that everybody involved in the Yarnell Hill Fire did everything right -despite the incineration of the 19 hotshots by flames so hellish that granite boulders fractured. Covering up facts because they make us uncomfortable dishonors the dead, and ensures the same mistakes will be made in the future.” (all emphasis added)

NONE of anything these men said [above] about the South Canyon or YH Fires should be considered as “hindsight bias.”

Pay close attention to the commenters, some being detractors, naysayer, and groveler comments below from the Student of Fire article above:

Deborah Pfingston

Thank you so much for a beautifully written piece. I love the truth and the strength you express. I lost my son, Andrew Aschraft, he was a lead sawyer for the GMHS crew. I think of this tragedy everyday and it brings my heart a touch of sweetness that there are others who still think about them too. If you are ever back in the area I would love to have coffee or to walk to the Juniper tree the crew saved. Again thank you.


Deborah I will take you up on that offer for coffee next time I drive to the southwest. I was just telling my fiancé about the Boyd’s coffee I had from a hole in the wall market in Congress. Much love for you and yours. Thanks for the offer and just know we are all sharing the burden.


My comment as Eric’s widow is not one of support. You seem to be less a student and more of someone who speculates. We have no idea of so many aspects. We have no idea where my husband was, if he was with them before or if he was at the ranch. You write as if you know the blame lay with Eric. Its very easy for people to arm chair quarterback and thats exactly what you seem to have done. Myself and Erics parents love him deeply and your words bite. Please be careful with what you write.


I’m sorry if I offended you and that was never my intention. I don’t hold any person responsible. In fire we are always asked who is responsible for our safety? And we all know every person is responsible for their own safety. I guess with all of the unknowns it becomes natural to place responsibility on the supervisor. I do not blame your husband. I guess the the main point of going on this trip was one of respect and to see the ground for myself. You are absolutely right about arm chair quarterbacking and I apologize if you interpreted my post to be one of blame. After this happened there was a lot of conjecture and I guess when I mentioned the part about possibly leaving his name off of the plaques it was one of a public sentiment where everyone was head hunting for blame. I can’t imagine how hard it’s been for you and your family. Especially because of how the general public has attempted to bring it back to Eric. Please forgive me if I have disrespected you.


There are many people who love Eric and miss him so much, people both inside and outside of the fire world. When you loose something that means everything it wounds deeply when people write and say things that seem to disparage the one you love. It is my job as his widow to continue to defend him, love him and represent his character. He was a very smart, very loving man who loved his crew so much. This was a terrible accident. His crew meant the world to him. Thank you for your quick response. May I suggest editing your piece to include the explanations above? Myself and his parents worked very hard on his plaque and the State of Arizona worked hard to honor Eric and all the Granite Mountain Hotshots. This is an incredibly painful situation and it deserves continued respect and kindness.

Chris Desrosiers

Mrs. Marsh I to felt Woodbridges comments were out of line and off the mark! I filled in with Granite Mtn in 2012. I was a volunteer and wildland team member with Groom Creek Fire Dist. Your husband an everyone on that crew treated me with respect and were men of the highest caliber!! I was by no means a hotshot in my third fire season at age 43!! Eric an the guys called me OMC, Old man Chris! I never felt unsafe even when we were almost overrun on a fire in Nevada! And when asked to do a sketchy assignment Jesse an Eric discussed our escape routes and time frames of retreat with the crew an ultimately let us decline the job! My point is safety was of the utmost concern! I tried out for the crew in 2013 and was told after the interview that I was down to the last 12 but did not get hired. I will always remember my time with the crew fondly as one of the greatest experiences of my life!! And I will honor them through my hard work and dedication on the fireline!! We here on the Prescott national Forest will never forget and will always talk of them like brothers! I have never reached out to any family members before but after reading this article I felt I had to!! 19 will always be on my heart!! (emphasis added)

Amanda If you [desire, need, want] more information check out this link.

The authors have to call BS on Mr. Desrosiers' comments on the Holloway Fire in Nevada in 2012. According to PFD Public Records, there was a Squad Boss interview with several GMHS being asked about a "leadership" example that they favored. They all brought up the 2012 "Nevada Fire" where it is permissably inferred that they posted no Lookout, and they had to fire out around themselves and their Crew Carriers when the fire unexpectdely appeared . And everything turned out alright. Clearly, an indication of bad decisions with good outcomes.

As you can see, there is a strong, frontal assault on anything and everything Yarnell Hill Fire that addresses, criticizes, doubts, or questions the GMHS issues contributing to their deaths

The Student of Fire website manager was slimly and toxically, self-righteously berated by the alleged "widow of the national hero."

G.16. Recommendations for Improvement to Thwart Groupthink - Israeli Defense Force (IDF) Tenth Man Rule

In a serious effort to avoid the perils of the sinister Group Think, one of the known hazardous attitudes identified in the NWCG IRPG , the wildland fire service should take a lesson from the Israeli Defense Force (IDF).

In response to major blunders during the October 1973 Yom Kippur War, the risks to Israel of underestimating dangers to national security, no matter how small or insignificant they may seem, needed to be addressed. "The Tenth Man is a devil's advocate. If there are 10 people in a room and nine agree, the role of the tenth is to disagree and point out flaws in whatever decision the group has reached." (emphasis added) How Israeli intelligence failures led to a ‘devil's advocate’ role excerpt from Why Dissent Matters, May 21, 2017. Toronto Star. William Kaplan

"Killing the messenger is self-defeating. So, the position of the Tenth Man arose, also referred to as the Revision Department, and has the option of writing 'different opinion' memos. This approach was important because it allowed for the consideration of a number of possible intentions of the enemy, including those deemed less probable than others.' After all, the opposite might be true.

"The Tenth Man’s job is to challenge conventional and received wisdom. The aim is to look at things creatively, independently, and from a fresh perspective, to engage actively with and to reconsider the status quo. Tenth Man analysts search for information and arguments that contradict theses constructed by the intelligence community’s various production and analysis departments. One anomaly is sufficient to refute a thesis, or at least to warrant a re-examination.'

"The Tenth Man also looks at subjects that have not, but perhaps should, receive attention, and it provides a sounding board for lower-level analysts who wish to raise issues that might not otherwise be considered at senior levels in the chain of command." (all emphasis added)

The Tenth Man has high status within their intelligence agencies. ... "Its reports cannot be ignored; they must be considered. The idea of the Tenth Man is not a panacea." Many seasoned intelligence professionals think it is ridiculous; more importantly, it is seen as unproductive because it doesn’t work. One eminent historian (Walter Laqueur) also concluded that the Tenth Man concept was without “conspicuous success.” (all emphasis added)

"Benny Gantz, the IDF chief of staff, observed: 'We need an organizational structure that encourages all ranks to be critical, to cast doubt, to re-examine basic assumptions, to get outside the framework.' (all emphasis added)

"Obviously, hindsight is perfect. And it would be beyond naïve to believe that there will always be time to consider carefully every option in the midst of a true crisis. In general, people really do try hard to get their decisions right, and they deserve some understanding when they get them wrong. Still, what could be worse than getting them very badly wrong by not even considering actual available evidence?" (all emphasis added)


And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5: 11 (NKJV)


The authors made another good faith attempt to share new information regarding some of the human errors that occurred on the June 30, 2013, YH Fire with the GMHS. New evidence is revealed regularly. There are an untold number of WFs, FFs, citizens; and family, friends, and loved ones of these same individuals that hold a lot of valuable information about the historic wildland fire lie, cover-up, and whitewash within photos, videos, human factors, and lessons learned narratives that need to be brought forward and shared. These valuable facts and insights will surely add greatly to true “lessons learned” toward reducing wildfire fatalities, replacing the “incomplete” lessons we were force-fed.[8] WFs and FFs still talk about the numerous wildland fire fatalities that continue to occur - from the very same causal factors. Staff Rides are certainly a valuable asset in the “lessons learned" toolbox in order to reduce them. This noteworthy, yet ignored, key sentence - entirely on point - deserves serious attention: "A staff ride should avoid being a recital of a single investigation report. Such reports rarely address the human factors that affect individual decision-making. ... providing participants with a variety of in-formation sources is important.[26] Recall that all wildland fire fatality investigations are based on predetermined conclusions and the Staff Rides are based on these cover-ups, lies, and whitewashes.[4] So then, what lessons are we really learning? Nonetheless, the YH Fire demands many “information sources” so as to be even mildly factual, linking the SAIT-SAIR, completely omitted human factors. (all emphasis added)


These are some informative and interesting quotes by some of the GMHS family and loved ones. However, it is most unfortuante that they refuse to believe that they are being lied to and deceived by the SAIT, SAIR, AZ State Forestry, and the USFS.

GMHS Widows and Mother, "The truth about the death of our sons, husbands and fathers will be coming." and “I want the Yarnell Hill Fire to be studied for the truth of what happened so that future [fire] fighters can learn.” (emphasis added) CAWRT PPT (original source unknown)

Ms. Pfingston, mother of GMHS Andrew Ashcraft makes this statement about her distrust of the entire YHF SAIT-SAIR: "Using the SAIR should no longer be a valid option, at this point, this report has been proven to be inaccurate. No investigation should be done by in house representatives, nor should it ever be given a 30 day time frame. Several points have been proven wrong, so I question the value of this report at all. If they cannot get several issues correct why should we believe others." (emphasis added) The 19th Watchout Situation: Unfamiliar with Land Navigation Techniques. Firehouse online magazine - Damian Guilliani (April 18, 2018)

She also knows about at least one of the firing operations referring to them as "backburns."

Acknowledgements. The authors wish to express their gratitude to: Dr. Ted Putnam for his Human Factors insight; InvestigativeMEDIA; the two Yarnell Hill Fire Eyewitness Hikers Tex Gilligan and Joy A. Collura; those mandated to silence due to Agency ‘direction’ and ‘guidance;’ those troubled by the event; and WFs, FFs, and others that encourage us. To those who lost family, friends, and loved ones, the authors and most WFs and FFs think about those young men every day. They inspire us to research, write, and publish toward the goal of reducing the number of inevitable tragic wildland fire fatalities.

RiP Brother Lance

Redmond HS and Prineville HS

Fellow Truth Teller


1. Schoeffler, F.J.: Epic Human Failure on June 30, 2013. R.L. Boring (ed.), Advances in Human Error, Reliability, Resilience, and Performance, p. 589 (2017)

2. Schoeffler, F.J.: It Could Not Be Seen Because It Could Not Be Believed on June 30, 2013. R. L. Boring (Ed.): AHFE 2018, AISC 778, pp. 231–243 (2018)

3. Karels, J., Dudley, M.: Yarnell Hill Fire Serious Accident Invest. Team (SAIT): Yarnell Hill Fire Serious Accident Investigation Report (SAIR). 122 pp. (2013)

4. Yarnell Hill Fire Revelations: ( ) (2018)

9. Schoeffler, F.J.: Human Factors Influenced the 30 June 2013 YH Fire Fatalities. CAWRT, RT-130 Refresher. PDF. 48 pp. (2016)

10. Berman, B., Dismukes, K., Loukopoulos, L.:Cognitive Limitations and Vulnerabili-ties on the Flight Deck. What Can We Do? Human Factors in Aviation Conf.(2007)

11. Putnam, T.: Accidents, accident guides, stories, and the truth. Proc.11th Intl. Wildland Fire Safety Summit, Intl. Assoc. of Wildland Fire, MT (April 4-8, 2001)

12. Hensler, B.:Fire Res.Mag.-Yarnell Hill: The human factor six years later (2019)

13. Dougherty, J.: Former Yarnell Hill Fire Chief Peter Andersen (RiP) Interview Oct. 8, 2013. YouTube. ( ) (2014)

14. Wildland Fire Lessons Learned Center (LLC): - Incident Reviews, Online (2018)

15. NWCG:Incident Response Pocket Guide (IRPG). PMS 461, NFES 001077 (2018)

16. Wagner, D., Sanchez, Y.W.:Yarnell fire probe guidelines questioned. AZ Rep. (2013)

18. McCammon, I.: Heuristic traps in recreational avalanche accidents: evidence and implications. Avalanche News 68, 10 pp. (2004)

19.Wildland Fire Safety Annual Refresher (WFSTAR): Blowup to Burnover (2018)

20. Dickman, K.:On the Burning Edge: A Fateful Fire and the Men Who Fought It. Ballantine Books. New York. 277 pp. (2015)

23. Burnette, J.L., Pollack, J.M., Forsyth, D.R.:A Groupthink Analysis of the May 1996 Mount Everest Disaster. J. Leadership Studies, 4 (2011)

24. Kayes, D.C.: Destructive Goal Pursuit: The Mount Everest Disaster. Palgrave (2006)

25. Cornell Law School:LII :5 U.S. Code § 301 -Departmental regulations.Pub. L. 89–554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 379. ) (accessed 2021)

26. NWCG: Wildland Fire leadership Development Program. The Staff Ride.

28. Woodbridge, J.: Student of Fire-Yarnell Hill Fire ( ( ) (accessed 2021)


Consider now, the June 29, 2016, 12 News article by YH Fire truth teller Joe Dana, titled: "State forester: Most Yarnell recommendations implemented. A deputy director for The ARIZONA forestry division says four of the seven recommendations by the Yarnell Fire investigative task force have been put into practice."

Recall that the September 23, 2013, SAIT-SAIR "recommends that the State of Arizona request the NWCG and/or Wildland Fire Leadership Council (WFLC) to charter a team of interagency wildland fire and human factors experts to conduct further analysis of this event and the wildland fire communications environment." (emphasis added) (SAIT-SAIR Recommendation 5. on page 44)

Given that "most" of the YH Fire recommendations were implemented according to the 12 News article above, take a wild guess which one they failed to deal with and even questioned whether they should or not.

"A deputy director for the Arizona forestry division says four of the seven recommendations by the Yarnell Fire investigative task force have been put into practice, and two others are ongoing. A seventh recommendation that involves bringing a "human factors" expert to evaluate the tragedy has not been incorporated. ... 'We are still evaluating whether that is a door we want to open at this point, said Joy Hernbrode, Arizona Forestry Division Deputy Director of Administrative Services." (emphasis added)

Are you f**king kidding me? Indeed not. I'm sure most of you guessed correctly on that one. So very typical of the AZ State Forestry in just about everything YH Fire and GMHS-related.

And now consider this National Smokejumper Association reprint of this article titled: "Wildfire Expert Alleges Arizona Forestry Division Covering Up Yarnall (sic) Hill Tragedy" by John Dougherty Phoenix New Times | posted: April 05, 2016.

Regarding the eventual YH Fire Staff Ride, contained within a Facilitator's Guide for the GMHS families - “This product is a true legacy of your loved one that will educate firefighters across the nation and put them in the shoes and decision-making process of the Granite Mountain Hotshots,” Don Boursier safety and logistics officer for the Forestry Division, states in a February 25 e-mail to families." (emphasis added)

"But one of the nation's leading wildfire fatality experts, who has participated in such events in the past, sharply criticizes the information to be presented as constituting an inaccurate and misleading portrayal of the events.

"I think the staff ride is an insult to all of [the Hotshots'] loved ones because [materials associated with it don't tell] the truth," says Ted Putnam, a retired wildfire fatality investigator and Chino Valley resident who has conducted an unofficial probe of the Yarnell Hill Fire. "The biggest tribute we should do for these firefighters is to tell the truth."

(emphasis added)

"He says he cannot reveal his sources because they provided the information under the promise of confidentiality. But he says he will provide complete details in a formal setting under oath." (emphasis added)In other words, someone needs to sue Dr. Putnam or one of the WFs or FFs involved in a Court of Law, so he can and will reveal this information.

Joy Hernbrode, the division's deputy director for administrative services, stated: "I haven't seen any evidence that supports Mr. Putnam's claims, so I don't know what he's built his belief on," Hernbrode said. "But we have looked at all the evidence in the state report, the videos, and it is our opinion that there isn't any evidence that anybody was ordered off that mountain. However, if somebody has evidence of that, we definitely would like to see it." (emphasis added)

True statements indeed regarding the SAIT-SAIR which is chock full of lies, falsehoods, inaccuracies, and more. And this YHFR website has for years provided the evidence that she speaks of.


What follows are some comment excerpts from a May 19, 2016, Facebook (FB) post between Don Feser (former Angeles NF Fire Chief) critiquing and questioning the alleged YH Fire SAIT and ostensible USFS El Dorado NF Fire Staff "Investigator" Jay Kurth (USFS) while Kurth defends his / their actions and conclusions. The FB post thread (all emphasis is added) centers around a discussion of a May 19, 2016, (IM) post titled: "Forest Service ignored information from hotshot leaders about Granite Mountain’s history of bad decisions" critical of the SAIT and SAIR. Only comments from Feser and Kurth are included here. The IM article in discussion is available in the link immediately below.

Don Feser: [discussing the above InvestigativeMEDIA article] "For what it's worth and my hunch is, that there's some truth behind it." (all emphasis added)

Don Feser: "Now that we're on a roll, who certified the GMHS in 2013, and who investigated the GMHS (firefighter fatality) incident on the 2013 Yarnell Fire? It's the obvious place to start, but findings thus far aren't credible."

Jay Kurth: "It was a learning review, not an investigation. They weren't findings. It was a statement of the story as best as could be put together from the information provided. We wrote specifically about the incident and what could be backed up with proof. It was as factually accurate as could be at the time. It was intentional to not draw suppositions or make bull shit assumptions about Marshes [sic] or Steeds [sic] thinking when it could not be backed up except with hindsight arrogance. Oh not everyone tells the whole story when asked either... (emphasis added)

[Jay Kurth continued]: "Does it make you feel better to bash the dead? Nowhere did the report explicitly say all choices were right. As I recall the words were something about no fault. Like a no contest plea. We left it up to firefighters to learn from what was written and provided some decision points where people could try and make sense of the choices that were acted upon and draw their own conclusions. All of you who relish in blame and revile (sic) in your own glory by bashing the system and slandering the review team should consider your own motivation. It certainly does not appear to be learning." (emphasis added)

Bash the dead? Are you kidding? The SAIT blatantly dishonors the dead with their lies and deception. On the contrary, the authors are honoring them by doing our best to tell the truth - and expose the lies - about what happened and why. And absurdly, to allow the WFs to draw their own conclusions about what happened? That was the task of the alleged "experts" of the SAIT. It should be fairly obvious from Kurth's statements where these alleged "Investigators" drifted off to ... and it certainly was in all directions away from the truth.


This is where we attempt to answer the question posited at the beginning of this post. Why Were Vital Human Factors Influencing the June 30, 2013, YH Fire GMHS Fatalities Never Revealed?

It is very clear to the authors, and hopefully to the vast majority of the readers, that researching human factors as we did here would nullify the SAIT conclusion of “... no indication of negligence, reckless actions, or violations of policy or protocol.

Figure 15. June 30, 2013, approximately 4:45 PM (1645) aggressive fire behavior on the YH Fire advancing toward the structures in the foreground along Crestway. Source: Collura

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death. I will fear no evil; For You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. Psalm 23:4 (NKJV)


UPDATES: Minor spelling, punctuation, and grammar corrections and edits throughout the post, added many links to several of the sources, removed Figure 10.a. NIFC WFSTAR Fire Order video due to redundant one in Part 1, removed the redundant Honor the Fallen video and comments, removed all of Dr.Guenthner's article and comments that are now posted in Part 1, rewrote Figure 15. caption(above), Former Redmond and Prineville HS Lance Honda (RiP), and added the May 19, 2016 Facebook (FB) post between Don Feser (former Angeles NF Fire Chief) critiquing and questioning the alleged YH Fire SAIT and ostensible USFS El Dorado NF Fire Staff "Investigator" Jay Kurth (USFS). (June 1, 2021 at 10:10 PM) Correct posted question at bottom (June 2, 2021 at 4:30 AM)

UPDATES: Added "State forester: Most Yarnell recommendations implemented." and "Wildfire Expert Alleges Arizona Forestry Division Covering Up Yarnall (sic) Hill Tragedy"articles and commentaries (July 16, 2021 - 7:22 PM)


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