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6-22-13 1:29pm Chris MacKenzie IMG_0869 

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Part 5 of 5 - Underneath every simple, obvious story about ‘human error,’ there is a deeper, more complex story - a story about the system in which people work. Will these formerly unrevealed public records change the account of what occurred on June 30, 2013?


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The authors and the blog are not responsible for misuse, reuse, recycled and cited and/or uncited copies of content within this blog by others. The content even though we are presenting it to the public at large if being reused must get written permission in doing so due to copyrighted material. Our sincerest apologies for the delays. These posts were due out in August 2019 yet we had website research a matter, and we are now finally able to rebuild the pages and make them "live." This extensive post may offend some due to the time of the year, however, we must stay the course to release information because more is yet to come out in future posts. To avoid such offense to some, please avoid further reading the posts until you find a proper reflective time for yourself. I did ask many people who were affected by this tragic Yarnell Hill Fire event and they said it was okay to post it this weekend. I know some people would not want any of this out at any time, yet I also know too many for "mental health" reasons need this out ASAP. Again - please avoid reading any further if you are unable to handle "sensitive material." Thank you.


Lord, we come to you today with the challenges in life- hear our prayer. Lord, know you are in us and with us.


Lord, 2019 is almost over -


please hear our prayers -


We know you are greater than anything and anyone I ever known. We ask that you surround us with your "hedge of protection" - stay near us. Help us be alert and secure in the knowledge that you are with us. You have given me fullness of life. Save us from those who have (un)intentional harm for us. Protect us from our own selves. Teach us to wear the armor of God and the belt of truth and breastplate of righteousness ... May Your Will be done. In Jesus name, Amen.


I did fix the front page of this blog and moved all the photos to its own link -

Many ask how come I never post photos of my family online. Why am I not on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter?

I avoid "social media". I am very much "old school". Sonny and I had a private link with fire photos in 2013. I occasionally comment (ramble?) on InvestigativeMEDIA. I use to post my hikes on my Zazzle (* ) or was jotting my hikes on Hike AZ. I do not live and breathe technology like others. Otherwise, I am an old school "in person" gal. - Not the best on phone or email communications either - I use my tracfone when someone adds minutes to (480 559-1971) - I rarely add minutes to it. Who was the last person to add minutes on there? I think maybe it was John Norman MacLean or Holly Neill if that tells you "how much" I use it. You are more than welcome to email me and I can share there on any inquiries or come have dinner with us all and join the family and friend "fun" ... but never expect me to do that here on the internet. Not my style. Just ask me "Joy, you tired or sick?" - ask that before making arrangements because I am not any fun to be around when those days happen- indeed. (soft giggles)


this was me chillin' in New Mexico this Spring 2019 during my WUI S-215 training texting new FF pal, Kayiden A. - I love the wood burning stove just my lungs cannot take it much ... I want to share Kayiden's path yet not sure Kayiden is ready - maybe some day...added this pic to remind Kayiden of "that" day and to share how Kayiden first came up to me all geared up in Eric Marsh Foundation apparel with a "pumped up" attitude to fight fire as we were Students at the Arizona Wildfire and Incident Management Academy this Spring 2019:




Upon request, here is my Family Tree:


“We can love completely what we cannot completely understand.”

Norman Maclean, A River Runs Through it and Other Stories


I do not have a recent photo of my father:


 (deceased; 12 21 2015)

(My father reminds me of IM's Participant; RTS- born one day a part)
probably just the tall with mustache and "authoritarian" attitude part, eh ... here is RTS:

- My heart - Papa:

my grandpa (Papa):
"In Loving Memory"; 1995.

My grandmother (Mama) (91) (Hospice):

My Dad's Sister and Brother and their Families:

Uncle Bob ("In Loving Memory") (old photo):

 (Uncle Bob, cousin Tammy, and my Dad)

My dad's brother's ex wife and their daughter
my cousin Tammy's mom (below):

 then Cousin Tammy:

"In Loving Memory" -my cousin's kids:

 Aunt Ruthie (my dad's sister) (no photo) ("In Loving Memory") -
My Uncle Bob and his new wife and my cousins
(not seen them since my father died 2015):

Cousin Scotty
(spoke on cell Spring 2019):

Cousin Robbie
(not seen him since my father died 2015):

Cousin Elaine and one of her kids
(no photo of her husband)
(not seen her since my father died 2015):


Some misc. pics of my cousins and us as kids:

That's right cousins - "Thumbs Up"





My Mother and Her Siblings
(My Aunt and Uncles)

 (Uncle Bill - "In Loving Memory", My Mom, "Pastor" Uncle Bob

(he looks like one of my doctors),

Aunt Eydie - "In Loving Memory")
My Mother's Hubby - (Step Dad) and his Kids/Family:




My Brothers and their Family.
Brother Paul and his lovely wife (my sis-in-law):

Thank You Sis-In-Law (Sis) -
Since February 2018 she has helped me with my hair messes.
I am a natural born "outdoor" gal who never makes the proper efforts for hair and make-up and nails as I should-
Thank You.
You are the best!

"In Loving Memory" - (Very Much Missed By Me) -

Our Sweet Angel- Sis's Mother:

My brother and Sis's Children and Grandchildren:




Brother Bill and his kids (his wife was working- no photo):


My Grandma (deceased):



In Loving Memory - My Grandpa and Nettie (My Heart):


 I miss you soooo much Grandpa and Nettie


Here is my East Coast Family- Mom's Side - Miss you all:

Hugs Aunt Anna



Uncle Charlie and Aunt Blanchie - "In Loving Memory" - I sure miss you two bunches.
I love you both so very much.
You two are forever golden


Oh and it "breaks me to joyful tears"

how very proud I am of my cousin Lynn's girls-

You girls are top notch.

 We miss you cousin Lynn:


How many of us have to get ill or die due to "chemicals" from these made for profit companies?

And we just allow it to happen? and not voice our views? Wrong!


The Fire Industry needs to take a "serious look" at the Fire Origins, The Fire Progressions (man made and/or weather, etc.), The Burn Scars, The Air Attack Drops may it be Fire or Slurry Drop, how many vehicles versus hand crews and Air attack (local vs federal resources) used, Layer on those maps a transparent look of "where" the slurry drops were made and really examine the community of who is ill or dead since that fire went through- Really look at the entities and verify what is placed out and "focus" to what is not put out...besides fires nowadays. They in the highest direction and guidance of the Fire Industry have to know too many are watching their actions and moments like this Fire Season 2019 had some very inappropriate actions and it has not gone unnoticed-

Time to really sit down and talk and make some changes.



I would say the industry does not realize there were so many Fire Weather tech savvy nerds out there in the World. I strongly feel it's really disingenuous for anyone in the Industry or tied to it (contracted) or family members who exploit for profit and or agendas this National Tragedy we all have been affected by ... it has been difficult to work through this all ... we do have a responsibility and duty  to make this "right" and it does not belong to just one author who arrogantly claims the "credible duty" belongs to him as people reported  to me - also we should not by patting one on the back with cush type positions or you help me - I help you mentalities. I am not going to change my ways just because certain ones in the Fire Industry are doing wrong is a Global problem. Today is "your" day to have the courage to "Speak Up"



Oh and cousin Taylor- everyone so far tells me you are the spitting image of me at that age- that's good - Be YOU!


-Make "as many" detours in life that God places on your heart.-


That's right, Taylor - Thumbs Up!

Life is Good!


Here is a pic of me around your age

with bed head waking up late morning always, Taylor:


I think I had thicker hair though:


the locals gave me the nickname - "Desert Walker"



Again, and always are with us Lynn in all we do-

We Love and Miss You! 


Cousin Stephen and his wife and son:



 My Aunt Eydie's First husband Uncle Elmer (Dad to Stephen and Lynn):

  and her second husband:

Uncle Bill's wife Fran is in the center of this photo (floral shirt) and Uncle Bob's wife Ann to Fran's right:


"I love you Mom":


I love my brothers - They have always been the best... always!

even when my mom dressed me in God awful dresses and pigtails:


Thank you to my brothers and family for accepting me as the "outdoor" kid...

I never will change no matter how academics I become.



By Marriage:

My hubby's Family - and became mine decades ago and I love them all so much-

They all have been so good to me.

My hubby:



My hubby's Brother (left) :

 My hubby's other brother and his family:




 My hubby's youngest Brother and his Family:




My hubby's Sister - In Loving Memory - Lisa and her kids - our nephews:

Nick with his mom that his Dad married 

Nick's nephew 

Nephew Mike and his wife

 The above photo reminds me of my hubby when he was young 

My In-Laws:

 My hubby's cousin Steve and his boy:

 My hubby's cousin and her husband:

In my lifetime this lady entered my life a decade ago as my mom number 2 I call them "Ma" and "Pa":

 and Ma and Pa's Best Doggie with me (lots of love and hugs):

                                                         I sure miss you three on my trail times. 

- In Loving Memory - To Our First Pet "Yo-Yo"


Fine Food and Fine Company has always been my make-up to living life:


 Yes, I was not always known as just the "housewife hiker". I was the "bràs style" gal back in the day yet to understand that you would have to know "vintage" Portugese and Italian cooking...well known for the shredding and fine chopping and sweating and carmelizing and teaching so many in life "how to cook" with much love and attention to less is best...and it really boils down to fine food and fine company for me.

Go to El Cid's back in the day to get a feel for the good side to living:




One of the top reasons I get told from the Firefighters that were there those last 18 minutes is...


"Joy, I have a family..."


Look up!

Scroll Up!

So do I.


I have a family who watch me leave home to train into an Industry I never imagined for my life; that's God. Yet it really needs it to be you all who were telling me behind the scenes the last 18 minutes - not me here doing it for you. Don't you agree?


Also all those that listened to John Norman MacLean's presentations where he never gave me photo credit on my images on his presentation images that were my photos and as well the others talking on me calling me the "Crazy Congress"  - does the people I have as family or the people around me qualify that type of talk? Really?


Next time you hear stuff on me just come to me direct is all I ask ...




Yet for me to pursue being a Fire and Law Investigator and Forensic Fire Weather Expert fits me. All my life I watched Detective shows (Rocky King; Detective, Matlock, Columbo, 48' Sam Spade Private Detective, Stand By for Crime, Man against Crime, Yours Truly Johnny Dollar, Jeff Regan, Miss Marple, Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Perry Mason, Hawaiian Eye, Kojak, Baretta, Rockford Files, even at times as corney as it was Charlies Angels and Miami Vice, Simon and Simon and Chips and Cagney and Lacey and Magnum PI and Moonlighting and TJ Hooker, Barney Miller, Hart to Hart, Honey West, Hill Street Blues, even the kookie 77 Sunset Strip, True Detective, Shotgun Slade, Killing Fields, The First 48, Hunter, Murder She Wrote, In the Heat of the Night, Quincy, and I always had this way about me that I can see things others are just unable to do. I rather be a "housewife hiker" yet am I ready to stop making chocolate chips cookies?


Remember it takes only ONE person to BELIEVE

and I am that ONE person that firmly and strongly feels by sharing to you who I am

that maybe now you "get" WHY it is so important for you folks

who where there the last 18 minutes before the men died to speak up


Have courage that you can be that one to rock the much needed boat.

You get to carry that torch where 19 men no longer can here on Earth.



I want you, who were there the last 18 minutes of the Yarnell Hill Fire in certain spur roads, to know this tv show (email below) may be the proper platform for you to reach versus the show reaching me because the true heroes are the ones who end up coming forward with the missing information not yet public:



We who were out there on the Weavers,

it is time we talk about the pain and heart aches.

Let us do it NOW 

20 19 ... 2019

We need your voice with honesty and the truth and the compassion

against injustice ... against the lies ... against the greed.



There are few of us who take the true time and energy to keep challenging the Fire Industry on "Lives Matter" , "We believe Safety Does Matter " and "Human Factors".


Does it seem too daunting for some of you? Are you at the right organization? Or does your organization need some necessary changes?


If you wake up and think "I know what Joy is writing is right" - there is just this thing - "I have a family and I have to have health insurance, I have a solid history of Certifications and its a pain in the butt to get my task book completed.....I am second or third generation in the Fire Industry ... I only know fire and I love it and I do not want to change careers, sorry Joy - you cannot bring the men back from sharing ... I would talk but my dad said not to" or I hear ... since the fire the Industry advanced me quickly and they are taking good care of me so I do not want to hurt my friends in the Industry" or the many "other" reasoning I have been shared ... "I retire in a year or 15 ...maybe then"-


(as I sigh)


It is very simple.


I believe there are "many more" who need to "Speak Up" about the last 18 minutes before the men died...That is how I wake up each day. Staying the course. Even when I have days I "feel" like throwing in the towel - those young faces are solid in my head and I stay with it. 


I am sharing my family in its entirety from paternal to maternal to my married family even some extended members I known my entire life because I think John Norman MacLean "misjudged" me based on one hike and someone out there giving him misinformation. 


I do believe someone(s) who are tied to the GMHS has been a strong influence in John Norman MacLean's journey. I do believe I will be looking for the "definite" book Gary L Olson stated May 20, 2015 he is writing as well and "hope" for WTKTT's book to happen.


I had a counselor friend "show concern" because I do not do  "social media" and she said do not show the public who I am and the more you place out the more "bad" can come from it was her view so I did not add her photo yet she has been in our lives since 2013 and was Sonny's counselor who became my friend. When she said all that I did years ago when I was doing my Zazzle page as a local hobby hiking page of what I saw on my trails - my site began to be the hunters dream to see where geographically I was taking the Wildlife shots. Shoot, when you see the start of this page some elk hunter may even fake wanting to be "friends" with me because I do have a "super - natural" gift with the wildlife. The wildlife loves me. See:

I had to state to my counselor friend how much worse can it get then when Fire Author John Norman MacLean hikes with me once (repeat - ONE TIME) but he brings to my hiking path Dr. Ted Putnam, Charlie "Moses" Moseley, Johnny Kirkley, Stephen Pyne, Wayne and Holly Neill and through Holly, she brings to my hiking path Alan Sinclair, Fred and Deanna Thompson (Fire20+ on IM), Jim Roth and his lovely lady. Even I got his friends to call me and apologize for his Smokejumper Conference Presentation actions in regards to the Yarnell Hill Fire Eyewitness Hikers including Holly Neill who also called me to apologize for MacLean's statements in person at the Yarnell Diner.


I put all that effort out for John Norman MacLean helping him in any way never asking for anything but give me photo credit which he has not, but in return that is what I got at that Smokejumper Conference - His Presentation? Why is it John Norman MacLean keeps speaking and being paid lots of funds to simply distract with his distasteful humor on the Yarnell Hill Fire Eyewitnesses and again distracts because his "insert on us" had nothing to do with "why" 19 men died - and if he wants to re-focus to the causal factors then he truly misses the point; it was 18 minutes before we need to discuss - not Saturday. Sometimes when people do their research they get too involved with the people who faced the losses to give it a pure "look at".


When I never saw the video I just figured he was "humoring" but after I saw the video I found the behavior poor.


How do we include mainstream media and "In Loving Memory" Dave Larsen and Pete Masiel who was also denied access get "Powerful" Politicians to get truly involved versus putting more emphasis on Greed and Advancement- We need you in power to help us make this right. Any of you ready to trail blaze along with me?


In honoring my true Smokejumper friend ... Charley "Moses" Moseley ... and "much thanks" to his family this Summer 2019 for your assistance and guidance ... I really appreciate all you did.


Please spend the time to read through this June 23, 2013, Facebook thread with author John MacLean and others discussing fire behavior and human factors and such ... I  have heard many other WFs and FFs engaged in wildland firefighting state to me that they believe that MacLean considers himself to be the "self-proclaimed, sole" or "ultimate authority" author on the YH Fire. He is also considered by the same professionals that way because when they provided him with the "facts and documents" on the YH Fire and other fatality wildfires, they feel that he never fixed or amended those areas needing corrections in books that he has written and had published. Another complaint these same professionals had was they believed that he always wants to place the blame on management instead of on those that actually and factually make the bad decisions that got them killed.


And I also want to know how and why his "MacLean Research Team" has had special privileges accessing the YH Fire Deployment /Fatality Site areas when it was restricted to everyone but SAIT and ADOSH investigators. So then, what is what is the so-called "MacLean Research Team?" Because they certainly are NOT certified investigators!



Some other statements that I have heard over time related to the June 30, 2013, YH Fire and the GMHS -


"Look, Joy, I know there are things you can’t tell me. But I also know that there’s a story here. And I think it’s an important story so just come out and tell it."


The only concern is the people asking do not know the amount of time I have put into this and "every time" I give people information - it vanishes or scares off the ones who have the data or it gets shifted


This is and has been an uneasy path...I have gone direct to the people who were on the fire to have them get lawyered up even stating they would lie that they were not even there ... ??? ...  This is a tough seat God placed many of us in ... especially in our small towns ... We need the Fire Industry to work together because we, as firefighters, are still considered to be PUBLIC SERVANTS by many, so the public also deserves to know what happened on June 30, 2013.


We need to focus both on the individual firefighter as well as a whole the system of the Fire Industry. Policies matter. And, of course, the "10 and 18" do matter. 


I will always be boggled by how some in the Industry that say: "The crucial information you’re after - they’re very sensitive records." And I reply "with all due respect - that’s not the question here. The records are public ... or are they?" ...


I think any journalist that covered the Yarnell Hill Fire, DOES have an editorial responsibility in seeking out and publishing these public records of this nature ... versus how it was glazed over elsewhere ... I have had so many homeowners state, including recently deceased Yarnell resident Pete The Miner's account. And how many news media were in the crucial areas? So, I am deeply disappointed when I tried to pull public records from them and they played me the "we are a private sector" Fire Dept. or "we had a fire in the records storage area" or "we moved the records and they seem to have gotten misplaced."


Any Yarnell Hill Fire Investigator or Media who has photos like this ETHICALLY OWES IT TO THE PUBLIC and PROFESSIONALLY AND ETHICALLY OWES IT TO THE WFs and FFs that engage in wildland firefighting to give us the time-stamps so we can make our own assessment of those final "52 minutes from Blow-up to Burnover on June 30, 2013": 






I also believe what WTKTT stated ( NOVEMBER 10, 2014 AT 11:35 AM ) and this should be at the forefront: "Aaron Hulburd was a true ‘videophile’" ... and he should be re-interviewed about the exact areas and times that my blog theme covers.


John MacLean and his team might not like InvestigativeMEDIA as shared to me this Summer by John, yet this video done by WTKTT, is from IM and is important to be at the forefront: 






This Summer, a Yarnell Resident presented this to me, as years ago she made it. She said she had me as the "desert walker" in mind when painting it:


I highly recommend their air bnb: ( )


I have a very good mentor - a true delight. I very much appreciate our times.


And for any and all of you current or retired Wildland Firefighters believe in sharing and mentoring, here is a good start:



Monday, July 29, 2019 9:05 PM, I sent Bill Boyd a sample NWCG form to give to John Truett to be a candidate for the Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride -


***Before Yarnell Hill Fire June 30, 2013, if I was irritated, annoyed, angry or dismissive of someone (I was usually tired or ill) ... or if I saw another complaining or gossiping about someone or me ... I would catch myself, deep breath and I would put myself in the other's shoes. I wish I could get though in the aftermath of the Yarnell Hill Fire, the amount of walls placed up versus building bridges. I tried, recently, with someone I feel who began this journey of entering so many people into my path who I hiked freely tied to this man; John MacLean ... 


When I went to his place in D.C. because I was staying in the Cleveland Park area and was near ...


I so bad wanted him to listen to understand— yet I thought, his method was to listen, to reply; not to comprehend. I just want to bring awareness to this to the world in case another eyewitness faced this tied to a fire fatality that you are not alone.  


I hoped he would just listen for what’s truly behind the words I was sharing. It does take us all to bridge together versus dismiss another's ideas or being on the stance because of InvestigativeMEDIA ( IM ) participation one wants zero involvement, yet not seeing IM as a journalistic tool. IM does have some solid take aways that was never shown anywhere else on the Yarnell Hill Fire.


The visit was left with a cordial kind handshake that he stated we are on two different paths. I find that to be a shame. I am in this to bridge not divide. I think he lacks perspective on the situation. That lack of perspective and transparency shifts at times into a lack of trust, for me. I thought we can build a solid external set of folks to try and get the data out yet what I see is "Yeah, this person showed and told me this but I cannot tell anyone but you Joy" ... Really? It's not easy to carry all I carry - it's lonely here


I thought ... "Wildland Fire Author" ... and son of legendary Norman MacLean ... he could help me bridge that area but instead he said if I thought that - he is a dead end for me.  I didn’t realize how toxic this behavior was until it was pointed out to me. It was in that shake I felt the "spinning gold" effect as I did years ago when I knew the celeb and Government Folk world who are in this life for gain, image and financial prosperity...


I pitched my time and tent in gathering on the YH Fire yet I did take away in that handshake a forever division on his end and I refuse to see the good in that in the long run that we are to accept we are on two different paths ??? 


I guess there is this "fire in my belly" to deliver world-class information and so in his mind it was a dead end to reach out to him but I will place the photos out on my blog and it is already known but I will say it strongly again - John MacLean and anyone tied to him are not given permission to use any content of my blog or IM without my written permission to use for any made-for-profit book(s) or their presentations - the best they can do is guide people here to make their own assessments.


By saying I have reached a dead end in looking - he fails to know I am not giving up yet I felt if he would take "ego" out of this and the emotions, we could make a difference in the Wildland Fire Industry but he needs to know it takes us all - I accept blame in my actions and I give credit to where it belongs - because it does take "we, the people" to ensure the data is pushed to the front not just one source - which he spent talking at the Foresters and Fire Wardens Conference in 2018, that five years later let us focus to Saturday June 29, 2013. Really?


I am here to break some of the toxicity cultured in the Fire Industry. These Wildland Fire Leaders must understand the problems their team faces, and then begin doing anything to remove barriers to entry so their team can do the best job possible. In my research, these barriers include a lack of resources, a lack of direction and a lack of corrective culture and lack of true leadership and a lack of weeding out the insidious people affecting the agency. 


Time and time again, I see the people credentialed up yet lack the experience or good ol' "common sense". It was this very Fire Industry I learned how John MacLean truly felt about me but all along treating me cordial and kindly in emails and in person ... that was not fair or right ... If it was not for the Firefighters impeding the flow of honest feedback and communication throughout the organization to me I would have thought John Norman MacLean liked the Yarnell Hill Fire hikers Tex and Joy yet Charlie Moseley shared in pure form what was being filtered behind closed doors away from me and it was the complete opposite and I was told that he spoke inappropriately at a smokejumper conference from John MacLean's friends. I had it removed online legally. It’s easy to marginalize me when I am not in the industry years ago when he did this presentation but I am now in the Fire Industry and I am here to stay.  I am not one you can retaliate with, intimidate, public trash me anonymous or not or try to get my blacklisted from events and conferences based on your lies and delusional verbiages.


Being closed-minded and unwilling to change your perspective will create a biased story and if you are solely going to focus to just Saturday and not the entire weekend especially the final 52 minutes moment than slowly I, the YH Fire eyewitness, will keep pushing the facts to the front... all it takes is just one of the firefighters to sign a release form and your story goes "live" ... it is strange how so many rely on their personal lives and what's going on and or they do not want to be the first one and yet I am not even in your Industry - just training - and I am saying it starts with Y O U speaking up. 


I have the documents that prove the leadership failures and lies on the Granite Mountain Hotshots further explained below. I have presented them on IM. Let us take responsibility for any of the Crew’s failures by talking about it versus suppression. Then propose solutions instead of assigning blame. We need to speak about the inconsistency we see with our leaders today.


I would also like to personally isolate anyone in leadership roles who are perpetually late, blabbing/gossip/snitching versus addressing anyone who is detrimentally affecting them-self and the Crew, you’re three sheets to the wind drunk or high, you make a big deal out of nothing, run around like a chicken with his head cut off, lazy not well thought out shoddy job - those people I will call to the front because you need additional mentoring and training or get the hell out.


Remember, Mistakes Happen.


People Mess Up.


Six Months ago on InvestigativeMEDIA (IM), I started to post Eric Shane Marsh's Profile to begin to show facts versus gossip on the topic of "Human Factors" and Leadership". You explain to me why I should add you besides curiosity to view it, I will possibly add your email there. I like to avoid harm to Eric and his family as well as me for presenting it so I have to have a full log book of full names and reasons one wants to peak at the lies on his resume and applications. It is important to present the lies though for we need to really look at our leaders today. Are they who they state they are?


Links from IM:


We should steer one another in the right direction. I am not trying to show off or prove others wrong but I am in this for relevancy and value and to be helpful, and at times perceived as just freaking annoying because I do have data and I time stamp it and try to get signatures and if I do not get the signatures - I find myself leaving the data shelved and awaits its time but I am in this for the long haul and if I cannot share publicly I do tell you how to gain the tools yourself best way I can without losing my chance to seal areas to happen for the future of certain areas.


Elizabeth Nowicki said February 25, 2015 AT 10:07 AM on IM that RTS was Fire20+


yet go back and read the comments and it is easy if you met her but Fire20+ is one of the team participants of John MacLean, Holly Neill, and Alan Sinclair- 


She is a USFS Fire Dispatcher, Deanna Thompson.


So, the reason I state this is not to be a snitch but John MacLean said he did not want to participate with anyone who was associated and participating on IM yet his own research assistants have been on IM participating... check it out for yourselves:


CTRL F (search) and put FIRE20+ or Holly / Holly Neil in CTRL F search to see the following posts:


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The comments on author John Maclean's Facebook page are a lot different than those posted about him on InvestigativeMEDIA. 




Historically though, it was John MacLean who was there when Tex Harold Eldon Gilligan (Sonny) discovered that burnt small round ball about 3/4 inch diameter roll of pink flagging/tape on the 2 track road, November 11, 2013 so how come SAIT - SAIR nor ADOSH ever saw this item. ( 5510ft elevation N34*13.290W112*46.931 ) Those coordinates do, in fact, match the point up on the two-track that even the SAIT investigators were calling the ‘Descent Point.’ And John tied that hiking event into his Smokejumper Conference Presentation, yet he played it like Sonny and I were in some sort of relationship and he tried to disparage us hikers. And he was inappropriate in regards to the two Yarnell Hill Fire Eyewitnesses. (Any underlined words are actual links to where I write about John MacLean. I was never deserving of this "dead end" brush-off this recent Washington, DC visit in Summer 2019.


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This is a CROSSFADE between Blue Ridge Hotshot Wardemups IMG_3957 taken at exactly 4:35:06 PM from the passenger side of one of the Blue Ridge Crew Carriers as it was about to pull into the parking lot of the Ranch House Restaurant…


"There were MANY ‘strange coincidences’ that day in Yarnell." [emphasis added; WTKTT -DECEMBER 21, 2014 AT 12:13 AM] [re-written below in my words but they are WTKTT]

'One of the coincidences has always been the fact that not long after Blue Ridge Hotshot Wardemups took his IMG_3957… I took an identical photograph looking in the exact same direction [when we drove about town]  and at the EXACT same point on Highway 89.  And I mean EXACT. I shutter and basically ‘clicked’ at the EXACT same point on the asphalt of Highway 89 that Wardemups did. Unbeknownst to either of us as we took these separate photos… the CENTER of BOTH Wardemups and my photos also happened to be focused on the exact same ...

I want to push more photos and videos to the forefront this Summer or Fall 2019.


Before we get into some known or anonymous photos below I should see "tens of thousand" view hits on the recent YouTube video that Wants to Know The Truth (WTKTT) did and it is VERY IMPORTANT what WTKTT did because the photos below that so many locals feel the fire was at certain areas near their homes and I want to show them with what is public to this date - this is the only known time stamped photo that shows you "no fire" in the Sesame Street to Shrine Corridor and has been the "key" photo for the naysayers and defensive ones or just people out there saying "show me more" because this is all I know about is this MacKenzie pic  that there was never any fire in the Sesame to Shrine Corridors or spur roads that June 30, 2013.


Figure:  Source: 


Here is an anonymous person's photos:


When I was in Schooling/Conferences Mode this Spring 2019- I want to say Thank You WantsToKnow TheTruth (WTKTT) from InvestigativeMedia on Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:21 PM, WTKTT created a YOUTUBE video from photos we shared with him because it is important to let FFs and homeowners

UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT YOUR PHOTOS AND VIDEOS ARE TO PROPERLY ASSESS THE YH FIRE We awaited the signature how the person wanted to present it out - 'anonymous-by-request ...


This also proves that JOY A COLLURA was not the only person to have photos of the Granite Mountain Hotshots ( GMHS ) on June 30, 2013.


WTKTT stated: 'As it turns out... one of the photos from that "Deertrack Drive"/closer to BSR Driveway collection

contains a photo which actually SHOWS 3 of the Granite Mountain Hotshots ( including, apparently, Jesse Steed wearing a RED hardhat ) preparing to start their first 'indirect' burnout the morning of Sunday, June 30, 2013.


No great revelation... we know that's what they were doing once they got up there... but it's now just one more important piece of photographic evidence from that day... and just one more of only a few known photographs

that actually SHOW them 'up there' at work[/rest] and what they were doing "up there" that day.' [emphasis added]


Filename ( IMG_6696.JPG ) and that photo has a VERIFIED timestamp of 10:36 AM [1036] the morning of Sunday, June 30, 2013:





I know the owner of these photos and I thank you for having the courage to share them to the world-

NIKON D80 photos:



 Sunday June 30, 2013 photos:


How does a fire that Shumate told ADOSH Investigator Barry Hicks was a "Buick size fire" give off these kinds of smoke columns?


June 30, 2013, 10:40 AM (1040) Shrine Road and Sesame Area smoke column views to follow:

What really happened out there on State Land, Maughan Property, and Harper Canyon that June 30, 2013, morning and afternoon and as well on the Sesame to Shrine Corridors and spur roads?


At 10:41 AM - what do you think are those small dots in front of each arrow? Unmanned Aerial Vehicles

( UAV ) ? See:

Closer view:


please email for original photo if you are trying to figure it out - ask for DSC_0018 4 file photo.



From a property right in front of the Helms - this Smoke plume in photo is no where near the big bad fire on the Harper Canyon over by Peeples Valley as people have told me they walked away from on the YH Fire Staff Ride and PAY ATTENTION - the metadata I had fact checked for accuracy as well where person took photo (site of line - Sesame Area section) not Harper Canyon area and pay close attention to the time photo was taken:

 without the metadata insert:

It concerned the person so much they left near the Helm's driveway to drive to Deer Way and Crest Way to get the next photo a minute later to get a higher look to assess the fire - Peeples Valley areas versus the town of Yarnell:























All that time people were looking at the Peeples Valley Fires and that big bad fire on Harper Canyon mentioned from peoples' Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride takeaway feedback - not many folks were documenting the other areas of Yarnell or were they - and they just not yet have been made public yet:

This is not the Harper Canyon Area or Peeples Valley area and photo above and below were taken near the Helm's dirt driveway:












Shortly AFTER the person took the photo above they did receive the 'CodeRed' emergency evacuation alert.  According to other research and online reporting... those 'CodeRed' alerts went out at 4:08 PM that afternoon. That would qualify as 'shortly AFTER 4:01 PM and match what happened.


I cried immensely when I saw this next photo because you go from 4:01pm to then the descent down YH Fire June 30, 2013, 4:52 PM, and I remember strongly on June 30, 2013 at 8:30 PM after bringing Penny and her pets to her son at the Family Dollar Store telling my husband and brother-in-law I have to go to Wickenburg where then God shared to our lives 80 yr old Phil and 78 y.o. Sandy Lobeck and their initial YH Fire account was horrifying and their horses - Sandy was so ... - no words can describe it - ... yet it is their initial account and the hundreds after is why I do not give up