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6-22-13 1:29pm Chris MacKenzie IMG_0869 

Source: Yavapai County Records/SAIT Report/Documents.

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Staff Ride PART TWO - Do the Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Rides by Arizona State Forestry provide that specific perspective of strategy, technology, and leadership? After reviewing the 52 page Facilitator Guide - did you even take that route that day?

Does the Arizona State Forestry actually virtually "walk" the participants through the Staff Ride before even going out there - like role playing  in a class room setting - before walking the actual terrain?  Do they pick a name out of a hat and you are that person for that fire that day and let's see how one would be in decision-making and action(s) before even setting foot out there. 

 

I personally will never understand why Blue Ridge Hot Sot (BRHS) Superintendent Brian Frisby, who we, the hikers (Tex Harold Eldon Gilligan "Sonny" and myself Joy A Collura) watched June 30, 2013, and alleged Granite Mountain Hot Shot (GMHS) "lookout" Donut were never asked to take a Staff Ride together as we are the living people who were on those Weaver Mountains that day, plus the "Mystery Man" and the Air Attack personnel - that is a much needed Staff Ride with those names on the roster.

 

On one of the staff rides where Brian Frisby did participate during the After Action Review ( AAR ) some of the SMEs or participants stated that Frisby was "a distraction" ... Are you kidding me? So how can someone that was actually there who part of the actions and decision makings of the final outcomes be a distraction

 

If they want participants to know the actual truth(s) about what occurred, rather than just a story. Refer to Dr. Ted Putnam's post titled: "May I Introduce Wildland Fire's Top Notch Person ... Dr. Ted Putnam ... His Life Example Inspires Others To Become More ... Wouldn't You Agree?" and his paper titled: "Accidents, accident guides, stories and the truth." ( https://www.yarnellhillfirerevelations.com/single-post/2018/10/15/May-I-Introduce-Wildland-Fires-Top-Notch-Person-Dr-Ted-Putnam-His-Life-Example-Inspires-Others-To-Become-More-Wouldnt-You-Agree )

 

I find it quite necessary to bring all the Fire Industry groups together to discuss Lessons Learned, and how doctrine has or has not changed, and any insights that may apply to future conflicts. Who currently are the leaders guiding these Staff Rides? Are they of the Go Along To Get Along ilk or Someone Who Has The Balls To Talk Truth To Power If They See Something Not Right? Why are they ruling out and discounting or disenfranchising these folks who ask about any burnout operations as if it never happened? Why are they stating it was as simple as the wind changed and hooked off Harper Canyon? Why won't they take the time and effort to measure the plume distance between another? Why won't they pull all the Air Attack documentation, including AFUE recordings, and placing a true recollect of what occurred on June 30, 2013? 

 

I state firmly, if "Todd Abel," smiling with a smirk on a Staff Ride as some firefighters state they have seen him in the oddest areas, I would be bringing in Mr. Joe Navarro (internationally recognized Body Language expert; spent 25 years at the FBI), and other recognized Body Language expert: Henrik Fexeus, Mark Bowden, Carole Railton, Patti Wood, Eric Goulard, Allan Pease, Robert Phipps, Paul Ekman, Mark Edgar Stephens, Traci Brown, Sharon Sayler, Patryk Wezowski, Carol Kinsey Goman, Amy Cuddy, Vincent Harris, Vanessa Van Edwards, Jan Hargrave, Dr. Lillian Glass, Greg Williams, Janine Driver, Bill Acheson, Dr. David Matsumoto, Stu Dunn, Elizabeth Kuhnke, Susan Constantine, Judi James, Linda Talley, Alice Weiser, and finally Tonya Reiman to "read" these instructors and facilitators because I have no idea how anyone can have any facial expression except what you see on Thirty Mile Fire Fatality (2001) survivor Thom Taylor's face in Figure 12. That man gives me "hope" in the Fire Industry when I know a man like him exists and actively involved in Lessons Learned and spreading the truth about these fatality fires.

 

Figure 27. Page Twenty-Seven of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

Figure 28. Page Twenty-Eight of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 29. Page Twenty-Nine of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 30. Page Thirty of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 31. Page Thirty-One of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 32. Page Thirty-Two of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 33. Page Thirty-Three of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

 

Figure 34. Page Thirty-Four of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 35. Page Thirty-Five of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 36. Page Thirty-Six of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 37. Page Thirty-Seven of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 38. Page Thirty-Eight of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

"If each man knows that all the officers and men in his division are animated with the same fiery zeal as he himself feels, unquenchable courage and unconquerable determination crush out fear, and death becomes preferable to defeat or dishonor." (emphasis added) Are you friggin' kidding me? Definitely a bit of Groupthink here where "death becomes preferable to defeat or dishonor."

 

"Fortunate indeed is the leader who commands such men, and it is his most sacred day to purify his own soul and cast out from it all unworthy motives, for men are quick to detect pretense or insecurity in their leader, and worse than useless as a leader is the man in whom they find evidences of hypocrisy or undue timidity, or whose acts do not square with his words." (emphasis added)

 

What are we teaching our WFs and FFs with these "inspiring" quotes?

 

Figure 39. Page Thirty-Nine of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

Now that was an actually beneficial and worthwhile inspiring leadership quote worth following!

 

 

 

Figure 40. Page Forty of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

It appears the the GMHS followed the John A. Lejeune quote on Resiliency above:"If each man knows that all the officers and men in his division are animated with the same fiery zeal as he himself feels, unquenchable courage and unconquerable determination crush out fear, and death becomes preferable to defeat or dishonor." (emphasis added) Especially, the death becomes preferable to defeat or dishonor part.

 

 

Figure 41. Page Forty-One of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

It was interesting, but not surprising, that they gave no credit to one of the most experienced WFs that has researched, written, and published on the subject of Robert bates' (1961) research paper tiled: "A Key to Blow-up Conditions in the Southwest?" regarding the potential effects of high nighttime temperatures on explosive fire behavior potential.

 

(6.4a) THE INFLUENCE OF DRY SLOTS ON WILDLAND FIRE GROWTH DURING THE 2011 ARIZONA FIRE SEASON

 

( https://www.academia.edu/19859148/6.4A_THE_INFLUENCE_OF_DRY_SLOTS_ON_WILDLAND_FIRE_GROWTH_DURING_THE_2011_ARIZONA_FIRE_SEASON )

 

and

 

Dry Slots and Dry Intrusions Visible in Water Vapor Imagery are Responsible for Rapid Surface Drying, Increased Gusty Winds, and Intensified Fire Potential

 

( https://www.academia.edu/33046239/Dry_Slots_and_Dry_Intrusions_Visible_in_Water_Vapor_Imagery_are_Responsible_for_Rapid_Surface_Drying_Increased_Gusty_Winds_and_Intensified_Fire_Potential_-_Sheff_LLC.pptx )

 

 

Figure 42. Page Forty-Two of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

Please note the "Hindsight Bias" blurb and avoid being swayed by this SOMETIMES true statement. There are clearly times - like the YH Fire - where there is NO WAY you or your Crew would have made these decisions or fatal moves that day. There is no friggin' way! And feel confident feeling that way and making this statements. This is a typical Wildland Fire Lessons Learned Center (LLC) spew.

 

 

Figure 43. Page Forty-Three of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 44. Page Forty-Four of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 45. Page Forty-Five of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 46. Page Forty-Six of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 47. Page Forty-Seven of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 48. Page Forty-Eight of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 49. Page Forty-Nine of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 50. Page Fifty of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 51. Page Fifty-One of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

 

Figure 52. Page Fifty-Two of 52 of the "official" Yarnell Hill Fire Staff Ride  Source: Arizona State Forestry

 

  

 

 

 

Figure 53. The differences in Case Study, Site Visit and Staff Rides. Source:  fireleadership.gov

 

Figure 54.  Chris LeDoux - Tougher Than The Rest video Source: YOUTUBE

 

 

I would like to close with this song versus images as I usually do because it reminds me of this one fire where this guy was dancing the night away and something an IM Commenter told me about. Here is to T R U T H. I have not given up. Meet ya at the Backburner. My treat. 

 

I now hope my post helps you define what type of experience you had out there on the Weavers. If you are still left scratching your head then please reach out to me, so we can help you with reaching clarity.

 

Have nothing to do with the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.”  Ephesians 5:11.

 

 

2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

 

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

 

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