What does InvestigativeMEDIA mean to Joy A. Collura? Why did she first venture to IM Chapter One?
My path that led me to InvestigativeMEDIA ...
My name is Joy A. Collura. I am 49 years old. Married my best friend with zero children. I have been with my husband since 1988.
Until the day Fred J. Schoeffler and myself pass on, we both committed to God and to each other through the thick and thin and through dark times, bad health, and Spiritual Warfare that this Yarnell Hill Fire Revelations blog will be our path and to get the documented TRUTHS out to the Public at Large.
We have faced more times of external darkness then one would like to admit to face in one lifetime. We know when we are getting somewhere when the attacks do happen and they can get so yucky for us both.
The academies and presentations / conferences are all a part to the journey. If people knew the tens of thousands of hours we put in all this and we both have placed extreme large amounts of our own monies to make sure we keep this flowing and going because "LIVES MATTER".
Fred does his part to get his family vacations in and I am tied financially to medical appointments and medical debt only but if I had extra funds I have my State / Federal Permit and Passes, I would get out and explore near a lake with my husband and our dog, Mae West. Mae and Lizzy:
What happened spontaneously Summer 2021 at the financial expense of another made up for all the years of regimen and redundancy. I needed that newness. I sure did. Another would be like ??? but all I have done is for others since this fire took place June 30, 2013. It was nice to get out and "live and learn" and experience a social life outside of fire. I still lay there thinking how did it all just happen though. ??? It did not happen where I am talking to the people daily or even much at all.
Yet I learned data and that was God. After hearing their YHF aftermath experiences were very similar to mine, I did not feel so alone in all this. Plus I got to have someone finally read to me a Louis L'Amour chapter - that is tops in my way of thinking. I was hoping Tom Nesbitt would be that person to read a few chapters. He has a kick ass reading voice.
I have lived in many of the Phoenix and its surrounding areas as a child/teen. I lived in Chandler in my young adult life from 1992-2005.
I had the best neighbors ever. I miss them greatly.
I then moved and settled in a tiny ghost town; Congress, Arizona. A town that has been a part of my life on and off since the 70's.
These are my links on Social Media yet I am really not much of a Social Media gal ( in person kinda gal ) but here is links: Joyous Kahula | Facebook
You can reach me by snail mail P.O. Box 572 Congress, Arizona 85332, no texts (old school) but direct calls and voicemails to
(480) 559-1971 and my email is:
arizona.desert.walker@protonmail.com
I have had zero desire to live my life in any traditional way.
Meaning, I prefer to never "look for" or expect anything from external areas and just let life simply "flow", I set personal goals and I am not a "keep up with Jones" type of gal. I am for sure a straight shooter. However, when sick or tired I can go from hunky dorey to shutting down or even shutting one off (pause) but as my life unfolds my brain tumors / other health stuff also cause tiny moments of heightened irrational emotional spots so just stay away from me when I am tired or ill. Plenty of signals before it happens. Idaho Dan and Scott know exactly how to be around it. Learn from them. Yet I am for reals and genuine. I will get "different" if I see someone being disingenuous, hit a very sore topic, or lack of communication when there needs to be communications.
There is select few who know me deeply and long term. My husband, Tex Harold Eldon Gilligan (Sonny), one of the GMHS loved ones, Fred J. Schoeffler, one of the folks tied to the YHF aftermath and just recently I opened my life to build in knowing someone who I find to be quality yet I do not desire quantity at this healing phase to my life yet pray that person is in my life until I pass on. I hope they know my lack of communication surely does not mean I am cutting off and out - just trying to heal up right now. Plus some of the new area was difficult to process, I have to admit. It is stuff I never faced to my life. It's okay though.
My community, the elders and children are my everything.
I am an experienced housewife, turned "housewife hiker", and then a "student of fire" after an infamous 2013 Fire Tragedy that I eye witnessed and 19 men did die but Tex Harold Eldon Gilligan (Sonny) and myself came too close to dying that day, June 30th, 2013 as we were up on the Weaver Mountains with the Granite Mountain Hotshots.
We have been gathering all these years to figure how our lives were almost taken from us. We have that right even though so many have tried to change the truths of June 30th, 2013 and those who try to keep the sound bites locked on to the " heroism" only zone.
This is Tex when he was logging in New Mexico:
There was a Survivor on that GMHS Crew ( Brendan McDonough - Donut ) that has chosen to take a different path in life. He came close to speaking up to prior City of Prescott attorney, Jon Paladini, years ago.
However, there are people he has told his story to early on and I know those people and like I told Donut 9-28-19, I pray he one day finishes what he began to do and not in some 'made-for-profit' platform - just him to the public being raw and real. I also pray he makes mends and apologizes to some he truly hurt in all this aftermath of the YHF.
"It should have never happened." ... like I stated in these videos:
Our GPS Coordinates for June 30, 2013 are on this video, here:
I am training to be a Law and Fire Investigator with Forensic Weather.
My past teaching experiences were at the amateur level. In my young adult life, I had six years teaching a discipleship leader Youth Ministry training workshop for my church. During the time as a teenager, I had a really great Ministry teacher - Ben, pictured to the left here.
And in my adult life, I have taught rare life skills to high paid Government folks, A-list celebs, Closed-door quiet folks, veterans, homeless people, modern-indigenous to indigenous people, criminally insane, and internally scarred-up folks who faced a myriad of tragedies.
I am one of the rare people who lived in the fanciest areas (Arcadia/Biltmore/Lincoln) as well "in the hoods" from the West Side to the East Side to the South Side and the nearby town of the Metro of Phoenix, Arizona even the North side had the "Tre5th/Maryvale/Sunnyslope" gangs; yet I was never in any gang/clique/cabel nor ever a hoity-toity.
Instead, I showed many gang members to create "togetherness" versus disconnect and discords and violence. When I grew up in the 80's I interacted with appx. 150 different Arizona gangs. I did the same for the well to do society folks. I bridged "togetherness". Very difficult path.
I can tell you I saw them gangs as my "neighboring protection" from Authorities in the low income areas. You would have to have lived that to understand what I mean there.
In a Dark World, I like to teach individualism, Integrity, self awareness, empathy, critical thinking, and effective problem solving.
I am huge on bridging "old ways" to "new ways." Yet, it is most important for me to teach, that in an unfavorable, unhealthy atmosphere and environment, one is to avoid external influences and/or "pressures" that may affect one's actions of safety and growth of good ethical values while avoiding caustic and/or unsafe like-mindedness.
The older generation and children are the reason I awake each day- they have been my best mentors/teachers and friends.
What is one thing people are shocked about when they hike with me?
When I was healthier, I could and have mesmerized and captured a rattlesnake with my bare hands. It puzzled Frankie Serros as he watched me "live" on a hike back from Wickenburg as I removed a jumping cholla out of a mojave rattler from the snake's eye and middle scale between its eyes.
Many people shoot rattlers messing the skin up and that method nullifies making nice hat bands and belt bands. My old hiking prospecting friends; Tommy Maiden, Bob Hancock, Rattlesnake Bill and Tex Gilligan taught me a variety of methods as well as local Gas Station manager/ Old hiking pal Ronda Carne's long time boyfriend Brian Sheppard, but for me the easiest method is charming them and then grabbing them and choking them to death.
I then take my straight razor and quickly, upon death, skin it as all the meat and flesh seem to come off faster and cleaner this way when the body is warm; I then put the skin in my glycerin/alcohol mix after it is quickly and thoroughly washed/fleshed. I only use rubber gloves if I have a cut on my hand for safety and avoid-ability reasons but if you are not advanced in the experience and technique, be safe and wear gloves. I show another example below how to use VISE-GRIP IRWIN Original Locking Pliers on stubborn snakes or ones that muscles still move after death.
A dead snake is more dangerous than a "live" one because they cannot regulate their venom being injected. Besides safety concerns, it is important to know the regulations and have your permit on hand. Also know where you walk across land because some areas are restricted and some require a fee permit - Private Land, State Land, and BLM. Here I am skinning the snake to eat it when we were out pioneering the land:
It is important for me to clean the entire rattler quickly from its head to the rattles or buttons.
When pioneering, we always had dry organic buttermilk or brine seasoning so that we could wash and gut the snake. First, we put the bones in a jar.
There is one particular area where the smell is awful when getting snake prepped to cook. We then soak the snake in the watered down dry buttermilk before we cooked it in our Griswold.
I cook the snake much like I would fish or quail. It is the "desert" white-meat. To me it taste like frogs and turtles.
And if it rained or your matches got wet there is always the "under-your- hood" method to help begin your campfire as seen below:
wala- campfire:
We always gave thanks to the animal we ate, and no matter the Faith backgrounds of the people I met up with, we always gave the food we hunted the proper respect - even the inedible parts were respected and placed in locations of use for another may it be insect or bird or rodent.
I showed much appreciation and love and Praise to God for each moment we gathered to eat.
Bones or antlers were used as some useful tool for me later on after I whittle it into something. If for some reason I could not use them, then I would lay only "land" animals on the highest ground for kettling vultures.
I always shared to the youngest and oldest persons first, feeding them the muscle along the side of the spine because it is the meatiest, tastiest part.
If we had nuts, I would crush them into a bread crumb texture and after it soaked in the buttermilk than I would roll it in pistachio nuts or whatever nuts I had on me.
The side dish would depend on the elevation and region we were in, but always off the land and not store-bought.
I never hunted and killed more than what I was going to consume for that meal. God always provided me something. Once a person builds that connectedness with their hunt and kill, you will see the complex issues of individual "identity" lessen. It is our life stories that matter - no matter if it is a simple gooey ewey "cookie cutter" kind or rugged and hard - we all matter! Even the animals and flora.
My "Native" identity matters.
Life is sacred and should be respected and honored.
When you begin to see so many lives end too short or too young, you start to awaken areas within you and ask yourself???? I began with the goal of hunger today and to meet such goal I hunted and killed this rattlesnake and it gave me nutritional benefits of amino acids, calcium, magnesium and protein. It prevents cardio diseases and it is a great brain food.
Rattlesnakes have played a big role in my life as I drank Timber Rattlesnake ( crotalus horridus ) and South America Bushmaster (lachesis) venom to improve my lymphatic and health.
We need to respect the good and bad of each phase of our lives, and if one does not comprehend something then research it until it is comprehended all the while staying the course until that happens.
I was once the little girl at Lake Pleasant that had a Diamondback rattlesnake in my sleeping bag with me in it. I was the one that feared the very thought of a snake of any kind and nowadays I have learned the good in all things ... even the most dangerous venomous snake in the USA.
When pioneering in the most challenging environments of the deserts, and our only source to water was the scattered springs, rivers and waterfalls - you very much learn what you can drink and eat. Indian snake root makes for an excellent source for its helped me survive long endurance hike as it helps your mouth stay salivated and is excellent to have in your bag just in case one had a "surprise" snake bite. I keep that root, garlic, ginger and willow bark when on "pioneering" hikes as "must haves".
To me, there is no better living than just you and the great outdoors with a wool blanket cooking up your vittles on a campfire at dusk or dawn and exploring the areas all through the day grazing on desert finds.
I miss our times pioneering 2011-2017 --- Sonny taught me so much ... like he had me cutting up wood with an axe when he had a chainsaw all that time. See:
Sonny always took my humor and made it a reality ... I said I wish I had a teepee to go pee pee in and he the next day began to build just that even though he knew when we left we had to tear it down ... and as soon as we got to liking it we would get snowed in and could not even use it. it was great to have those moments, see:
Every camp site we made from stuff in the area- it was fun ... thank you Sonny for our 2011-2017 pioneering memories --- especially learning to make hornos and then making our own utensils and pottery to eat and as well eating from off the land versus store bought stuff was truly a beautiful memory, see one of the camps we made:
Most crucial data I learned was when we mucked or went down in the mines. He taught me all about the proper way to know "air quality" in an adit or mine shaft.
Sonny was shot by his dog and Sonny still lives to this day -
I am still curious how his pet tarantula was near the trigger? see:
That was a long winded BIO on me but I felt it was IMPORTANT to share that because it was all my walking and pioneering that got me the local label; Arizona Desert Walker. Even though I live in a subdivision, that is not who I am ... I am a natural born explorer.
some pics from my Zazzle moments hang up in my garage from when I use to walk the desert and I would sell post cards out of who God led me to from my backpack selection of pics I took in Arizona - www.zazzle.com/congress_arizona*, see:
even Patti Jares did a write up at the Wickenburg Sun way over a decade ago on the Arizona Desert Walker and her adventures. Lois June Porowski, 96, made my backpack and nicknamed me the Desert Walker long ago and I am known more as that than my own name here locally.
Now let me take you to how my journey began with InvestigativeMEDIA.
Summer 2013, a man who did an article for the Phoenix New Times reached out to myself and Tex Harold Eldon Gilligan (Sonny) and asked to meet with us.
Tex Gilligan
It was to be an early hike --- John Dougherty (InvestigativeMEDIA) pulled up in his sandals and shorts on his motorcycle at the Yarnell U-Stow It Hiking Headquarters.
Fall 2013, I had these photos up on the wall along with other photos of all the media folks and ADOSH folks we had to meet and hike:
The Two Track Ridge:
ADOSH Investigators - Bruce Hannah, Sonny Gilligan, Brett Steurer
Sonny Gilligan explaining his account on June 30, 2013 to ADOSH Investigators:
(Old grader in the distance in photo above)
this is what we had hanging up on the wall:
given to us 9-15-13:
This hike / meet and greet took place September 15, 2013. A lot of locals knew this man, John Dougherty, from some Summer articles. We did not. We did not even know what InvestigativeMEDIA was all about. We were just too busy helping locals on the loss of their homes at that point and going to funerals.
It was a Sunday when John Dougherty met the Yarnell Hikers. Sept 15, 2013.
Much of the walk I had not a clue this man was a journalist even if he said it I did not "compute it" and what we all were corresponding about would be in any publication - never imagined that. Especially the videos you see on YouTube.
All I knew was John's wife may be able to pixel the "Mystery Man" photo for me. I had hope. Never happened - the follow through on the images. He arrived between 11-noon to the hiking headquarters. We talked briefly there. We took John to Yarnell librarian's home- Patti Rutherford's home to park.
We then went out on a friend's section near Acri's --- we detoured and showed him our "19" memorial rock pile.
We took him a longer way explaining all the areas where he stood and who owned it and then took him to the fire line. We spoke about our eyewitness views as we took him to all the spots on the Yarnell side. We spoke about this was not an accident- this was for sure avoidable.
However, in the entire history of all we hiked CBS Investigator Reporter, Morgan Loew, is still to this date the "only" person to cover all our ground plus other areas we wanted to make sure someone knew about ...
Tex, Morgan Loew and me
We had hopes in Morgan Loew but we learned his story was basically squashed on us hikers- he had some of the best footage and we agreed to hike the very long way if we could get a "CC" of what he filmed but he never did nor did Patrick send that footage - instead it was always some excuse of "why nots"- too bad ... my hope shifted away from Media at that point.
Sonny explaining to Morgan and Patrick how we had to bear wallow and slide down tall boulders June 30, 2013 to escape the area to the lesser vegetation- the Congress side of the Weaver Mountains. It was explained why we were up there - 6-16-13 I told some Congress prospectors to move their camp to some "cold belt" areas so we went up there to give situational awareness to people who were prospecting and enjoying a cold beer on a hot day in the shade areas of the desert.
then Fernanda Santos comes in second...
we showed samples of what it looked like with the brush and how we had to bear wallow our way through on June 30, 2013.
then John Norman MacLean for going the arduous distance on the Weaver Mountains.
This was the worst reporter ( photo down below ) about us the hikers and the actual hike in his article (Shaun McKinnon of the Arizona Republic who won awards, for "Alone on the Hill," published in December 2013.) and we asked for it to be redacted and it never was:
Dobby and Sonny, videographer and Shaun McKinnon
We showed John Dougherty where Darrell Willis exaggerated sections of the 10 foot high brush spots were at ...
Tex and I were wanting to know the position of every man who perished and where.
John Dougherty left us at 8:45pm 9-15-13.
We took John to meet Larry and Patti McCrackens when they were living out of their RV they still had the most hospitable personalities to Yarnell, Arizona.
[I think the whole Basden / Helms / Sandifur moments has "paused" some including the McCracken's in 2021 because people just want happy memories and what was happening back channel towards me was nothing happy about it. It is sick and twisted.]
John Dougherty also met United Way, Crystal Ogden, that day at the McCracken's RV setup then we headed back to the vehicles at Patti Rutherford's and ate at the Thunderbird Cafe. I crashed immediately at 9:15pm.
I can guarantee as the Eyewitness hikers we have given that town of Yarnell more business by all the Media and folks we took all those years than any other from the community. In a way, I think some business owners knew that too.
The next time we were to meet John was when Holly Neill, Dr Ted Putnam, Wayne Neill, John N MacLean, Johnny Kirkley and Charlie "Moses" Moseley moment happened a couple months after our hike but he never showed up until that dinner that night minus us.
Holly Neill, John N. MacLean, Wayne Neill, Dr. Ted Putnam, Charlie "Moses" Moseley, ?, John Dougherty
Sonny Gilligan showing the chutes that led up to the box canyon to Wayne and Holly Neill putting it all into perspective:
Sonny putting it into perspective what we saw June 30, 2013 as we showed our images on hike
Holly Neill and Sonny Gilligan
My photo below from June 30, 2013 from the highway then look again at photo with Sonny and Wayne above because we were up where Sonny and Wayne are on June 30, 2013 so we had one of the best vantage points yet never was given the proper respect from any entity or outfit since the tragedy but look above at that photo and then look at how it was once we got of the mountain and took pic of where we just we up on those Weavers- very close call for us, see:
And then John Dougherty was to show up for the Weather Channel piece- but he did his section separate then us. That video:
Weather Channel hike:
S. Efran filmed all of us for the above video and GMHS Alumni Phil "Maldo" was present for that moment.
Michael Kodas and the hikers and Stern Magazine, Norb:
Sonny found more data and evidence on the Weavers than the investigators ever reported- he found burnt ribbon roll on a hike with John N MacLean and we called it in to ADOSH as we stood there:
Sonny always loved our visits with Tommy and the Mayor, see:
This man in the picture with us is a mystery too and Joanne Dodder Nellans knows who it is but we never was told but on this day he told us hikers that the fire and the men should have never died and that a real investigation better happen. Wonder how he felt when the SAIT SAIR happened because this was most likely a retired fire guy who knows more and never came public yet either ... see the man - if you recognize him tell him to reach me:
and also besides cleaning properties day in and out, helping United Way with deliveries, and helping the media and authors and etc, we also did our best to get people to donate direct to the people (see the truck signs and verbiage) versus donate to the foundations because we were learning funds were not reaching the people.
I saw mistreatment from some man Ray M.'s folks and that never has added up because that happen before the "Donate Direct To The People" truck signs as just the "Yarnell Hikers". Who is this Ray M???
see the sign on the truck:
Above, in the photo, you will see the word "effected" on the truck behind us- that was done with intent to make people pay attention especially the academic folks - we knew it is "affected" - it was our marketing intent to get everyone to "talk" and "look" at the content.
When I heard Vicki Minor's story recently versus what was shared to me in 2014, I felt me and Sonny were seeing exactly how she saw it on the South Canyon Fire aftermath but for us on the YHF aftermath.
I also caught in 2014 someone was trying to cause mayhems not just for me but many others. Those times are not going to repeat. I am going to get to the origin and stop it. Here are the truck's signs saying donate direct to the people,
These two men were two men that were very professional and made the hikes very much enjoyable with their conversation content:
Rolling Stones Editor Josh Eells and Sonny
Sonny, me and Brian Mockenhaupt
Brian Mockenhaupt and Sonny Gilligan
This is a copy of the original of what I told Media and Investigators from the very start:
Now that you arrived here: Yarnell Hill Fire (investigativemedia.com)
click on this:
and it will take you to this:
https://www.investigativemedia.com/yarnell-hill-fire-investigation-ignored-major-mistakes-by-the-state/
if you try and click on any images with my name ( JOY A COLLURA )- it goes to error page, see:
click on this:
to get this:
and I went to Wayback Machine and got this:
I asked Fred to see if he can pull up the article or is it my pc security blocking me from viewing it-
he got this: https://web.archive.org/web/20201112043804/https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/yarnell-hill-fire-investigation-ignored-major-mistakes-by-the-state-6667860
I screenshot areas that said JOY A COLLURA:
In the above article the author choose to round up to 4a.m.but we reported before that but that is fine.
The author omitted the origin why we were up there on the Weavers. And that was because 6-16-13 Sonny and I told some local prospectors to go to the "cold belt" areas of the Weavers to survive the Summers in Congress, Arizona.
They were "out-of-state" newbies to our area and prospecting and drinking beers and looking for the gold was their new hobbies coming from a life of being Professors teaching to then exploring the desert is a huge transition. We felt a sense of guilt because we knew those terrain and ridges.
Local Gas Station Manager, Ronda Carnes, called us hikers 6-28-13 appx 5:30pm and asked if I was on the Weavers hiking and if we saw the lightning strike. I said no and that we were hiking the areas by Norton Way in Yarnell, Arizona.
this was our view- we did not see lightning just a semi dark grey thunderous sky:
The sky was a semi dark grey hazy dry lightning kinda of sky and we do not hike on mountains when it is like that. I told her we would go over by the radio towers outside of town and see what we see. Sonny was like let's go out there. I said tomorrow because it was getting dark.
When we were up at this vantage point we did not see anything - no lightning - no fires:
I slept in 6-29-13 because that week we walked from the Prescott DMV down towards Yarnell when my husband picked us up after he got off work.
By 2p.m. 6-29-13, we went to the Yarnell Fire Dept. and the tall YFD FF answered the door and he stated all was under control pertaining to the fire and I explained why I was going up in the Weavers. We heard chaos in the background in that building. It was not until later a YFD FF told us the chaos was an actual argument of jurisdiction happening there in that building.
This is my public Declaration. As well, we heard in the background the "F" bombs going on. "F'in" was heavily heard. We walked away going "everything is under control" ??? right? It didn't sound like it.
We ended up getting a late start 6-29-13. When we passed the two black bears so near to us and it was getting to be dusk soon ... we had passed the box canyon / Helms and was in the wash leading up to the old grader at this point. We saw people on the Weavers and it seemed wherever they were, fire followed them. It was weird. We had no idea on 6-29-13 that firefighters actually place fire on the ground. Learned since ...
area bears we passed 6-29-13:
our path 6-29-13:
When I went to bed I thought about that fire following the firefighter. ???
I awoke thinking I better get an early start 6-30-13 and I geared up to go alone. Sonny saw me leaving and he threw his clothes on and came with me. I had water enough for just me. The rest of our account is on this post in images so I can move on to the next part of the article.
at 2pm 6-30-13 we dropped off the ridge areas and was curving, sliding down boulders and headed to Acri's land- this is a sample of the area we slid down on the aftermath once it all burned off:
before it looked like this:
our path 6-30-13:
we had walked 3.28 miles in 0ver 100 degree temps. when we were last present with Eric S. Marsh with the "Mystery Man" up on the knoll
this was the path we took to the Weaver Mountaintop:
once on top at 3.28 miles - this is our path back 3.67 miles which gave our walk in extreme temps a total of 6.95 miles we did before getting to Sonny's car.
on the way back:
#11 on the GMHS Memorial Trail "Anthony Rose" - is where us hikers dropped down towards Acri's land with windmill on it. I find it very unusual because Morgan Loew and Patrick knew our path - the hikers - on June 30, 2013 but noone else really ever asked but if you look a whole State Park Memorial Trail was made and it is very close to the way the hikers came out on June 30, 2013. Weird, huh.
this is how we saw the GMHS much of that day, June 30, 2013 - at a stand still - watching and observing like us on the Weavers:
I did this for the InvestigativeMEDIA link to the article:
Former Yarnell Fire Chief Peter Andersen from this article died too early in life and I strongly feel it was avoidable if EPA just does a true case studies versus there is not enough funding and resources to do it.
I am stating too many have died in our communities and it matters to me that it be taking seriously and this was long before this pandemic phase.
Hello EPA. Please at least do this much. Go place retardant on a "live" fire and place retardant in an area and watch how many funerals you end up attending. Just sayin'. That is what happened in our communities. It needs a serious look at. Watch where the fire was on the slurry drop - map it - and then watch the illnesses and death tolls rise.
Let me now click CTRL F and search JOY A COLLURA for this article. My name shows up 56 times.
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Amen to that, Wants To Know The Truth (WTKTT).
5.https://www.investigativemedia.com/yarnell-hill-fire-investigation-ignored-major-mistakes-by-the-state/#comment-4966
Amen to that, Wants To Know The Truth (WTKTT).
6.https://www.investigativemedia.com/yarnell-hill-fire-investigation-ignored-major-mistakes-by-the-state/#comment-4844
Amen to that, Wants To Know The Truth (WTKTT).
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for those who do better learning with photos versus reading WTKTT's explanation - here ya go ... this is the BSR / Helms account of "loss of electricity" at 4:53p.m. June 30, 2013 shown on Google Earth image:
Joy A. Collura is giving a Public Declaration that the Helms / BSR was never spoken to Eric Shane Marsh on June 30, 2013. That was another's lies to create narratives. Eric did ask us the best way to the fire line. Sonny answered Eric as my hands gestured the path up the Weavers.
This was our fourth time going to the Yarnell library to pick up books and DVDs when Cathy (local resident) asked if we are reading what an online site is writing about us hikers (InvestigativeMEDIA). ???
Uh, nope. We do not go online. We are busy helping people locally rebuild and clean up and start over. We were busy going to visit folks in the hospital and attending funerals. Sonny was busy making sure people got their smokes and alcohol to deal with the YHF aftermath. What site we asked ???
Cathy says "InvestigativeMEDIA" --- I pull out the card in my backpack:
I showed her the business card. She took a photo of it. She said that is so cool. How did you get that she asked us. We said we hiked the fella in September (2013).
We were tired. She showed us the webpage (IM). She said she saw the yellow and white quads up on the Weavers Friday night 9/28/13 and she felt this was all planned the fire and she took photos. We looked at the photos and saw this mattered to this lady so we got on to InvestigativeMEDIA and this was our fourth comment #10 and 11 where we left comments on IM in November 2013.
1. 41/56 NOVEMBER 17, 2013 AT 6:37 PM Our first comment on IM, 2. 24/56 Sonny Gilligan and Joy Collura NOVEMBER 23, 2013 AT 9:54 AM 3. 23/56 Sonny Gilligan and Joy Collura NOVEMBER 23, 2013 AT 9:39 AM 4. 11/56 Joy A Collura and Tex (Sonny) Gilligan says NOVEMBER 26, 2013 AT 2:20 PM
Amen to that, Wants To Know The Truth (WTKTT).
We heard these lies too locally.
It was so early on that someone was trying to label the hikers in a bad wrong fashion and it never made sense. Thank you for this reply, Wtktt:
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13, 14, 15, 16.
Let us look at Wtktt comment (above). The Joy A Collura photo that shows GMHS Buggies parked out on Sesame Trail:
The GMHS Crew were not even in "visual" when these photos were taken of Eric tying ribbons to bushes June 30, 2013.
Let me show you what this means because these pics below were after 8:07am June 30, 2013. Where Eric is tying the ribbons so let me Google Earth the movements for you all.
Instead of getting my external hard drive out - I am pulling the photo from here that is my pic of Eric tying the pink ribbons on the bushes:
This was the very first time we saw Eric S. Marsh:
which was before he met up to us and that was at 8:03am June 30, 2013 coming out from this specific wash.
Holly Neill was the first person I shared this location to in 2013. I found it odd her reaction. When I trained to be a firefighter my Instructor told me how this specific lady "Holly" brought him to Yarnell.
And it seem odd how the body language was on this specific hike with Holly Neill.
Holly Neill is a research specialist and consultant [for the "made-for-profit" author John N. MacLean] on the Yarnell Hill Fire and the tragic deaths of the 19 Granite Mountain Hotshots on June 30, 2013. I noted it. The body language she had. When she took me to her areas of interest, I found it odd because it was very familiar to me for June 30, 2013. That told me she is possibly in the know but to what degree and by how and whom was the big inquiry for me.
Also people ... John N MacLean is an author.
Remember that.
"Made-for-profit" books.
If you google his name it pops up how much the man is allegedly worth: http://peopleai.com/fame/identities/john-n-maclean
for those who need to see photos, see:
I come to you, World, spending my life savings and in debt never to make a book or movie on this terrible tragedy that Sonny and I almost died but 19 men did die June 30, 2013.
I doubt in my lifetime my net worth will be 27.6 million like one sees above- that is nuts.
I have zero agenda just want to make sure to get the documents public to make a proper assessment of why we and others almost died June 30, 2013. I was there on the Weavers with the Granite Mountain Hotshots. I was rarely reached to tell my account fully- it was always may I use your photo of the men going up the Weavers. Don't you find that odd? I do. Or they reached for sound bites of "heroism" - ???
then here is where Eric S. Marsh was when he was tying the ribbons up and from the higher vantage point none of us could visibly see the GMHS Crew Members quite yet at 8:50a.m.:
Then once we were here, the men looked like tiny ants coming up the Weaver Mountains:
In distance the GMHS were appx 1.17miles from us eyewitness hikers and add another .05 miles where Mystery Man and Eric S. Marsh stood away from us up on the knoll mountaintop when we first noticed the GMHS. See:
Don't you all think it is odd that 19 men died but not one reporter, author, media or even Investigators sat down and had us, the eyewitnesses, to the world's worst Wildland Firefighter tragedy do what I am doing for you right now to get a feel of timing of who was where on the Weavers--- it strikes me way odd not even one family or friend or fellow FF since 2013 never even asked me to do this but I am now because it matters and some of those kids will be adults soon...and I want them to know I cared enough to make this time to do this- see:
The GMHS (19 minus Eric S. Marsh) were just about to turn the corner to the few tiny bushes that were on fire with some skunking spot fires over by the old mine area above the old grader area. Nothing people.
This is where on the Weavers the GMHS were when I took that photo:
Even if my camera is off on metadata - my TracFone showed true metadata but never ever made it to the SAIT - SAIR / ADOSH report, see:
This photo above (Tracfone) was taken after I saw the Granite Mountain Hotshots on June 30, 2013 at 9:40a.m. yet none of the Investigators felt it was important evidence to place in any reports but it was - PURE TIME STAMP METADATA of the fire on the Weavers.
I was here when I took that photo:
closer zoomed in view:
Sonny and I choose early on to post on Bill Gabbert's Wildfire Today with us making the attempt to go to that site because after the poor treatment we saw from Prescott Fire Departments (PFD), 100 Club / IAFF Prescott Charities - July 2013 when Joanna Dodder Nellans told us to go to the PFD with our accounts and evidence- we felt something was "fishy" about "how" we were treated by the PFD / Charities so we wanted there to be a public spot to share our account since the Media and Investigators seem to focus to "narratives" versus gathering data to lead to a conclusion. It was very weird we thought.
Amen to that, Wants To Know The Truth (WTKTT).
18. https://www.investigativemedia.com/yarnell-hill-fire-investigation-ignored-major-mistakes-by-the-state/#comment-4598
this is the photo that no longer exits on IM article that was shown in this article of my June 30, 2013 photo file - the pic I took of the Granite Mountain Hotshots at 9:18am:
I can answer this above - Eric S. Marsh was over a mile away on walking distance from his men in the first part of the morning June 30, 2013 so it is more than likely Eric's Sup. truck came in earlier than the buggies and that was how we saw Eric at 8:07a.m. as he was coming out of the wash (photo "Google Earth" image below) - as well we watched him until 9:25a.m. away from the GMHS and Eric was up on the mountaintop knoll with "Mystery Man".
This comment was both Sonny and Joy sitting at the Yarnell Library reading your comment because local resident, Cathy, stated you all had inquiries about the Weavers so when we were checking books out and DVDs she said go to IM to reply - we did.
Our third comment ever on IM:
24. https://www.investigativemedia.com/yarnell-hill-fire-investigation-ignored-major-mistakes-by-the-state/#comment-4486 Our fourth comment ever on IM:
my first time on IM mentioning "Mystery Man" - November 23, 2013
I found some good stuff in this comment-
see:
He may have not seem to know the Weavers well yet he could move- it was beautiful to watch how swift he moved.
This was an online question but at the same time this happened online - someone had spread this locally as a rumor that we the hikers old Eric to go to the Helms. We only knew the name HELMS because of neighboring lands who have had to deal with situations with them and as well Brent Yaden (RiP) the paraplegic told us he was allowed to go to their place as well as retired (RiP) Chief Pete Anderson. We learned the named Helms when a Fire Chief took us through the first week after returning from evacuation. I have always been cordial to them until 2021 when I saw them being soooo wrong behind the scenes tied to my name so I just called it out because they refused to handle it directly with me.
We never told Eric Shane Marsh anything about where he was to go - only answered his inquiry on best way up the mountain.
https://www.zazzle.com/yarnell_arizona_zombies_postcard-239587875104192841
This is a "time-stamped" YHF account of ours on the description wall of my local hobby hiking Zazzle page because at that time I was only an in person gal. Charles Casmir (RiP 2-15-12) and Phyllis Lipinski (RiP 3-1-14) bought me a camera and PC in 2009 and it just died this year the both of them and Scott replaced PC in 2021 what Fred broke twice on two sep. technologies so I could keep plugging away to get the documents to the front. [sore topic solved]
My areas I want to be remembered in the above snippet is this: "It is very strange that the shelter ended up having a homeless woman that was not an evacuee yet she stated she saw officials with maps of Arizona landmarks before the fires even began and the topic was on "flood plain/mineral rights" so to have her approach me was indeed odd." --- I truly thought this was very odd because this homeless woman would tell us how she was imminent domain and how they burned her place in CA...she was not from Yarnell areas so why was she allowed in this Evacuation shelter???
** Air Tractor AT-802 SEAT (Single Engine Air Tanker)
Small bottom-wing fixed-wing airplane. White with red tips on wings, rudder, tail fins. Wings, tail fins and rudder all have SQUARE edges.
Number on bottom of wing, right side of aircraft is 413.
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