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good morning it's 11:11 in the morning
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on October 8th Sunday 2023 just
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reflecting as I was watering my uh
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plants and cacti and I was thinking
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about the current people who I been
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watching uh gather stuff off of areas
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that I would like to have a direct
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conversation with those people if you
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are more than willing to do that my door
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is open actually my door is open for
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everyone when I say I'm on pause in 2023
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it's actually
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for when I say external stuff I want to
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pause or people uh but if there's some
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person out there that has a concern or
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an issue towards me uh those doors open
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for 2023 because I really would hate for
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you to waste your energy and time and
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anything with uh that pertaining to me
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and having any kind of disgruntle
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negative uh uncomfortable feeling uh in
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regards to me the person my name what I
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do so what I do currently and I've been
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doing for the past 10 years is when I
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almost died on a fire I knew that
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direction of the flow of uh how it was
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unfolding it wasn't a reality to what I
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was seeing and then I went ahead and
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started Gathering public records and
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foyers and interviews and testimonies
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and stuff and so uh that's what I'm
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doing and if I put something out it's
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not just to put out because I'm putting
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it out like I have other contributing
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authors ghost writers that take that
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information and they make an article or
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a post or and take the information to uh
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give situational awareness to areas that
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need sit situational awareness so I just
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want to let you know uh my mother-in-law
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her birthday's coming up in a couple
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days and so happy happy birthday and
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happy birthday to anybody in October
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happy birthday Jerry and Montana uh miss
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you on the trails and and the Prosper
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hting Rock hounding thing and uh hope
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everything's well with everybody this uh
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fall and I just wanted to you know put
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that out there uh anybody's having any
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kind of negative thinking when it comes
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to me just reach out to me everybody
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else please let it pause so I can get
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some other stuff done mainly I want to
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get the organization uh organizing all
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the records and putting them into the
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right folders and so that other people
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can um in the future have a place to go
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to for resource right now uh John doter
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of investigated media and uh Scotty
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Briggs of into the black Productions are
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the only from 2013 to 2022 uh my stuff
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uh it would have to say hey this is what
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I want to use and then go from there I'm
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not saying they have to ask for my
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permission they have full permission
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except that some of the stuff and
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content is not mine you know it's for
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resource only uh on the blog and not to
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be re-shared so just you know kind of
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let me know what you're going to be
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planning on using as far as content uh
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but those two have my full permission as
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well as a scottd man who has retired and
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he's doing a documentary so there's
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three individuals anybody outside of
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that no zero permission um I do have
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contributing authors and ghost writers
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that are helping to get all this stuff
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organized back Channel and that's where
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we're at we're just in an
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organizational uh phase uh and so I so
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that I'm not trying to shut anybody out
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or pause anybody at this point it's just
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so I can get things
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done I don't have to have it done
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successfully because failures happen too
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but I just want to make sure that
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anybody that's having any kind of
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negative uh thoughts when it comes to me
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uh I I don't I want everybody to be
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encouraged to to to have better health
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better thought thoughts better
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environment and you know just if you're
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having any kind of toxicity uh Let it go
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Let God In you know so or whatever
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higher power that you feel it's I'm
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going to say God because that's my
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source of everything and so and I've can
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tell
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you he's never failed me so I hope
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everybody stay strong uh just know that
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I'm praying for you guys uh and I say
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you guys uh I do a general uh prayer uh
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for all you know but I also do specific
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so if you have any prayers you need just
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let me know and I'll pray so I I I know
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there's some people right now that has
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some health issues that happen uh
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because I'm able to uh pray for that and
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and hopefully you guys uh see less
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toxicity during your healing so God
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bless talk to you later
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morning it's 10:01 in the morning on April 22nd 2024 I was uh before I went
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to use the restroom I was recording the fj3
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21925 1319 I'm going to start from the beginning and it's a hour and 23 minutes
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and 28 seconds and I'll do that however gr Mountain Hot Shots
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Marsh's actual June 30th 2013 location with would later be called into question
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by Dent of one of Joy a color's prrs which included a Yavapai County Sheriff's Office report dated June 30th
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to July 7th 2013 containing inventory list of items to put into safekeeping
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for the SAT investigation report indicating that two Yavapai County Sheriff deputies dated June 30th to July
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7th 2013 that calls into question whether the grand of mountain hasad had
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in fact all deployed their fire shelters together and died at the alleged deployment Zone an eventual fatality
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Site Grand Mount hot shot per the satar on June 30th 2013 and it was inserting
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uh on yesterday the 20th um that on this report it says into
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safekeeping the name Tony Petrelli is labeled on there and also possible uh
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the two names of Granite Mountain Hot Shot uh isn't written on there there
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with the word bone and so we need to have more information that leads to
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conclusion versus confusion and it does end with the alai County Sheriff's Office at this point uh I have tried to
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go and interview these two deputies I was told uh yes and then I was told no
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to reach their Superior with my questions which I did and then I went further and I was told to I had to be in
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a summons in a court order in a court setting uh to go any further so that has
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been on pause for the uh that area so when I read this paragraph I just want
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to make an insert that uh there's just not enough data to have any conclusion
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except that why would these this Yavapai County Sheriff's deputy even put on the
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sheet two names of the grand Mountain Hot Shots that's the thing big thing uh why what what who or what got into that
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person's ear to lead up to do that action is a a big question that has
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never been answered and um because of that uh one could lead to uh assumptions
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uh but there's not enough data quite yet to come to that I can tell you right now there is firefighters who are firsthand
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that has stated there is no way that they were separated they were all together so that's where we're at and so
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we just go further this is also referred to in the July 20 13 YouTube video of
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the Granite Mountain hot deployment Zone news conference video of presk fire
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department Wildland battalion chief Daryl Willis PFD Willis admits I relive it
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every day the following PFD BC Willis statement is squarely within the
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confines of the PFD presk way of doing things that likely guarantee their fatal
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actions like many others this is in quote like many other s Willis has spent
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a lot of time asking himself why they wanted to re-engage sure they could sit
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up there in the black but if they could try to get back in the game they were going to do we just sit up here and
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watch it Go by they knew there was an evacuation going on they knew there were
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people staying in their houses so what would the public think you're not going to help us why did you even show up
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that's from Yarnell fire July 15 20 2023 I want to make an insert about how they
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said that people were in their houses uh there's too many people that almost lost their lives and I have those testimonies
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uh that it's never been made to the public at large uh and some were in the claims of court cases and some were not
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uh some were paraplegic and so I want to make sure that everybody knows the evacuation was done poorly uh everybody
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has different perceptions depends on where you lived and how you were notified please refer to the satar
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appendix C personal protective equipment analysis page 82 to 95 reader discretion
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is advised now the SAT star on page 45 to 54 specifically States at least seven
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renderings of the phrase will never know with the alleged factual report this
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really is significant because misinformation has been identified as a major contributor to various
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contentious contemporary wide ranging events belief in Miss information can
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lead to poor judgments and decisionmaking and exerts a lingering influence on people's reasoning even
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after it's been corrected known as a continued influence effect the psychological drivers of misinformation
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belief and its to correction echer e comma nature review psychology
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2022 note appendix C the alleged deployment site of the arnal fire in the
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satar appendix C PPE analysis warning very graphic content in addition please
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refer to the satar where the SAT specifically States at least seven renderings of the phrase we'll never
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know within the alleged factual report this really is significant because
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misinformation has been identified as a major contributor to various contentious
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cont contemp did I just read something yeah you did we'll have to edit that
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okay so I'm going to edit that but I didn't I just thought that I just read that so last s okay so uh brm JW 1966 no
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about the last sentence in that per oh the last sentence in it not only can belief not only can belief and
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misinformation lead to poor judgments and decision-making it also exerts a lingering influence on people's
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reasoning after it has been corrected an effect known as the theory of psychological re
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reactants and then that's the brem JW 1966 a theory of Psychological reactants
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Academic Press consider now the discussion on the satar will never know psychology and the
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alleged fairy tale that eventually follows by intentionally utilizing this manipulative technique most people would
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accept it as fact astute skeptical readers and researchers challenge it
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part two learn and discussion discussion the Yarnell hillfire was a significant
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event to those personally affected and to the inter agency Wildland fire community at large because we don't know
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and we'll never know many of the precise details surrounding the final moments and motivations of the grand amount Hot
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Shots we considered many aspects of Wildland fire operations in our discussions this accident prompted us to
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think about the many unknowns and to explore multiple Concepts and perspectives as we tried to reconstruct
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the incident to understand and analyze it satar page 45 uh so that was a hard
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paragraph for me to read and I have to insert why because what I know back Channel if these people had privy to the
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knowledge that I have um that is dangerous uh to have our people in
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Authority or leadership to make that statement um I'm having a hard time uh
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swallowing that wow are we trying to manipulate the and brainwash the minds
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is what I'm reading from that paragraph and if that was in the official report I have to go back and read all that stuff
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maybe I shouldn't all right so going on although we will never know for sure we
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considered how the Granite Mountain IHC might have reason if they stay in the black they do no good if they move they
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might do some good even if they don't know what that good will look like they think they can move without it being
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especially risky that Sor page 47 we have no indication that operations or
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anyone else asked the granite Mount IHC to move to a new location but we assume they decided this on their own believing
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they could re-engage and help defend Yarnell a culture of Engagement and a bias for Action is part of wildland
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firefighter identity and a factor in their success and in this case a bias for engagement may have prompted them to
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move satar page 47 consider the role of false alarms the level of confidence in
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future weather updates originating from the same sources although we will never know the answer to this question it's
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worth asking in the absence of observed cloud and column conditions to what
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extent did the Grand amount IHC think the weather in the second update was not going to materialize because weather in
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the first update occurred on a diminished level satar page 48 hello
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people I'm sorry I'm incertain here but without any photos um from McKenzie or
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myself we were there and you seen these smoke columns and you've seen the weather in the distance uh if I'm a
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housewife and Sunny's a a Rancher and I'll tell you we got the hell out of
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there I don't understand that to this very day how you can have what we saw
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was right immediately over by the old greater um there's an old like mining
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road that goes out people's Valley and then there's the Harper Canyon that is the area that we the hikers witnessed
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that area being drip torched we didn't know that was drip torch at that moment all we saw was a firefighter and then
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fire right after them it was until later that we learned that's how they do things and it wasn't until a staff ride
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in recent years that I learned that that's what they call the big box Theory they they have to burn so many acreage
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per season I didn't know that but it was on a staff ride uh in the recent years
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that that was spoken about from one of the people that was on that fire so in figure five grount Hot Shot Chris
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Mackenzie rest in peace crew actions locations fire Behavior Etc photo series
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The Source is Arizona State forestry investigative media so then there's a quote from the satar page 52 and that's
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that's what I should have said earlier I should have said satar page 52 and then said the quote but I just said the quote
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and then referred it to but I should have started with that first we will
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never know for sure but we wondered whether the Granite Mountain ihc's decision to hike through the green might
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have seemed to them to be a decision to operate in the green just like everyone else for the crew this would have meant
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moving away from a safe location at the time of day when the fire would be most active decision makers base such
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decisions on what they know at the time and their assessment of the risks associated with various course of action
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so being inserted here this is not part of the post it's just me inserting
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what's interesting is because I was up there with the grand amount hasat uh
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there was already burnt areas on top of the Weaver Mountains from the prior days
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and uh I don't understand uh because I remember Fred and Bob Howers teaching me
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early on on investigate media about the uh 10 standard firefighting orders and the 18 watch outs which Fred says 19 uh
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I don't understand how one can say that because number 11 on the watch out is unburned fi between you and the fire so
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I don't understand because maybe you can help help me on that uh page 52 Fred um
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to help me understand how they can even put that word smithing in there I don't know you uh this the
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conclusion that they they did everything right oh you couldn't have done
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everything right because you've taught me fully what the 10 standards are in the in the 19 watch outs and so no that
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that would be so inaccurate to place in any report uh that those men did
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everything right so going on to it on the contrary considering figure six um
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let me go and identify what figure six is uh it's actually Brian lob's photo so
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so let's go back on the contrary considering figure six which is Brian lra's photo below which was given to the
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Yarnell hillfire lead investigator Mayhew um was it was it given to him or
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was he given so much information uh and he maybe didn't see that do you think
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that he saw that photo we don't know can yeah we can allege that okay so
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um so on the contrary considering figure six below which has given to the Arnell fire lead investigator Mayu and even
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assigned an Evidence number image 31334 jpg the set investigators deny
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they know for sure whether the Granite Mountain GMC's decision to hike through the green
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might have seemed to them to be a decision to operate in the green just like everyone else fallacy of
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equivoca I don't have my glasses on can you say that word for me because it's blurry equivocation that's what I
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thought everyone else was in fact in the green far enough from these fire Behavior extremes shown in the photo
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collage note appendix C official grount Hot Shot fire shelter replacement caution this
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link contains very graphic information that may be offensive or sensitive to some readers not withstanding this
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author's professional opinion that these should be mandatory elements in all future S130 basic firefighter and
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refresher 130 and rt130 Refreshers to alert firefighters and Wildland
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firefighters of the likely outcomes possible when failing to abide by the rules of engagement as well as viewing
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the grount hasha fire shelters images and photos and each of the graphic autopsies reports reader and
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viewer discretion is highly advised regarding these it is I'm inserting that
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I still have a hard time looking at him uh Mayu satar continues for the crew this would have meant moving away from a
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safe location at the time of day when the fire would be most active decision makers base such decisions on
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what they know at the time in their assessment of the risk associated with various courses of action and then you
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have in Brackets no safe insane firefighter or wildland firefighter or
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supervisor would move away from a safe location in the black at this time of
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day when the fire is obviously most active as indicated by the fire behavior
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in Smoke in figure six Brian lobber photo a clear L of an unsafe habit of
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bad decisions with good outcomes and the well-known normalization of deviants and
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the alleged granny Mount hasha hazardous attitudes preferences s you have figure six with
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June 30th 2013 4:29 p.m. photo on Google Earth overlay The Tempest who within the
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depths of your soul the I didn't do that that was actually my computer doing that
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now it took me off so I have to go back on okay um the source is uh Brian lobers
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Arizona State forestry Google Earth and wants to know the truth from investigated media and figures overlay
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overlay right okay I think I said that and then that's when my computer cut out only minutes and it has like the um Loop
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Griffith Park dude South Canyon Rainbow Springs Spanish Ranch Hoster Creek
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Blackwater cart pepper run Kramer Rock Creek tulan Battlement Creek 30 mile
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Canyon Yarnell H Hill Blue Ribbon and it's the blow up to burnover image and
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the grand Mount hos was 52 minutes and this is the source of nwcg WF St
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R going onar so did you want to read a little
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bit goad you're doing fine Mayu satar maintains Escape Routes containing
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continuing from this previous point the Yarnell Hill fire also prompts us to think about the connections that
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firefighters make between Escape Routes and safety zones and that's in the satar page 52 in Brackets this author's
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professional opinion experien firefighters and Wildland firefighters like the grand Mount Hot Shots and satar
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claim they were should know that Escape Routes should always proed safety zones
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in LCS and the fire orders using Escape Routes to a safety zone mayu's sap SAR
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continues in quotes whether the crew recognized it or not their decision to go down the hillside from The Descent
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point was a decision to sacrifice some of their effective Effectiveness Effectiveness in serving
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as their own Lookouts taking a more direct Escape Route in Brackets to
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minimize exposure in the green generally means traveling a shorter distance and potentially reaching the in bracket
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safety zone more quickly moving down the slope into the box canyon meant the in
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Brackets GMC would no longer be able to see the fire we wondered is it possible that
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they relied on the rock outcropping as a barrier to fire spread question mark but
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it also is is it possible that the outcropping block their view of the fire question mark we will never know if the
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crew understood that this route of travel required that they sacrific some of their capacity to serve as their own
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Lookouts we also never know if they understood the calculated risk involved in traversing the final distance to the
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ranch without the level of situational awareness that a different Vantage Point might have afforded setar page 54 in
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Brackets these are clearly permissible inferences of Roe violations and so if you want to
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explain to the world what um your uh Wildland fire Roe is Rules of Engagement
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nullifying the set s conclusion of doing everything right for details on one they
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they admit right in here that they were violating the orders right there when they talk about some of the stuff
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they're talking about not being able to see the fire and all that they do that throughout the satar but they do in
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question form they don't do in assertive if you noticed well that's fine yeah well the question becomes like they're
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just like hey you know when you're sort of so they're not really saying assertive and that's a
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smart thing to do for liability and and Court reasons for details on one of
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several alleged fireing operations that took place consider this 2020 ah AHF
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paper titled credible evidence continues to surface regarding a likely friendly
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fire incident along the Sesame Street enshrine Corridor area on June 30th 2013
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in Figure 8 Below and then it's an image that kind of shows you the UPS slope uh alignment
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to the parallel chimney and shoots and washes towards the deploy deployment Zone from the sesy uh Street to Shrine
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areas and the fuel break uh corridors over there which is near uh your land
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and uh the boulder Springs Ranch okay figure eight is an enhanced
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Google Earth image revealing what caused the topography induced fire Behavior steering the result in fire Behavior
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into the upslope Twin parallel shoot bottom middle eventually funneling the
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fire like a slingshot uphill directly into the grount hot shot deployment Zone
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an eventual fatality site based on the smoke column shape size smoke color and
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volume and smoke color and figure six and 8A uh going back to six is Brian Lor's
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photo and going to 8A is the one where it shows the up slope uh with the Google tools the fire is obviously signal and
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its intent itions and there's a Google Earth edit tool and paint and calora uh
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on the source and that was just the showing how it goes from sesme Street
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and Shrine Corridor and then it shows the UPS slope of the twin parallel shoots and chimneys to the deployment
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Zone in a graph format uh so then uh consider now several informative
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investigate media regular commenter wants no truth comments in CrossFit videos abc5 clip 18 Crossfade video 2018
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and then it has the insert to the YouTube also view the Oregon Bia fmo
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kobby Drake we saved Granite Mountain hot shop buggies 2013 on the vimeo video
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noting this was a third time that someone had to save the Granite Mountain hot crew carriers indeed the Li and S SW
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a RFD were aware of these evidence during their investigations now military
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veteran Brian mocking hop Brian noted in the 2014 article titled Fire on the
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Mountain noted in the Atlantic that the a in quotes the Arizona State forestry division ASF commissioned an
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investigation team the SAT to determine what had gone wrong in Yarnell after the other big wildfires that had killed
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multiple firefighters in the past Century survivors had been able to fill in crucial pieces of information about
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on the ground conversations and decisionmaking but the grand of Mount hasha had died without any eyewitnesses
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what wait is that really a quote reading Joy no I need to know is that a I hiked him
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is that a quote that's a quote I was he knows that I was with him continue to
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read it explains it Joy wow that is partic that is partially incorrect because the two hikers Joey clor and
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Sunny Tech Gilligan witnessed and recorded the fire for the full June 28th through 30th 2013 weekend with cell
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phones cameras and videos and they discerned and heated those warnings without the benefit of two-way radios
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and yet they made it safely to their vehicle in yell less than 15 minutes before the Grand and melon hot shots were burned over mckin Hoff accurately
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surmised in quote as hard as they tried however the adosh inspectors were unable
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to answer the question that had stimmed the first investigation team why had 19
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skilled Wildland firefighters left the safety of a burned over area and hiked into a box canyon overgrown with dense
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vegetation V visited the grand Mount hashad DZ in fatality Zone with Kora and Gilligan compared to the tunnel
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vision sat in the lii who never expressed any interest to do so you know
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it's interesting though Fred that he took that away because we gave him the most and like everybody in town loved
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Brian mocking hop and I never really got to read his things cuz I was helping people at that time time uh and I never
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really I got his story but he never did give me a copy of it but um I read it online but that's
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interesting uh well I guess because he was we liked his
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uh Persona I can tell you that but I did not read the article and I guess I'll have to reread it so in their officially
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sanctioned podcast titled reading reflecting and changing Behavior September 10th 2021 the link provided by
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the W LF LLC so is that Wildland lessons what's that mean Wildland fire lessons
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learn okay U manager Kelly woods and the plumis NF graduate degreed WF Eric appan
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talk about Alan's wlf LLC incident review database task to read all of
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their archive entrapment reports Woods in a calculated condenscending question
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asks appan focusing on this this huge Deep dive you've done in this kind of events in quotes in Brackets deep dive
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question mark really question mark regarding his expected and presumed neutral objective research he instead
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provided a very narrow-minded Insight on those hundreds of investigative reports
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to match the Yarnell hillfire satar conclusion of no wrongdoing when stating
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his own conclusions and findings moreover it is rather significant in telling that he totally dodged the
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subject of the 2013 Yarnell hillfire and you have plenty to say about the 1949
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man Gulch the 1964 sundan fire in Idaho the 1979 Ship Island fire in Idaho the
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1985 lake mountain and but fires in Idaho the 1994 South Canyon fire in
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Colorado the 2002 price Canyon fire in Utah the 2016 pag pagami pag pami pagami Creek
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fire in Minnesota and this is what he had to say about the historic 1933
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Griffith Park in quotes there's been things like I've heard of Griffith Park
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right that's it that's about it I heard it it that it had happened but I didn't
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know really anything about it at all and there are fires in there I didn't even know that that happened never heard the
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name before you know pretty major fires one of my favorite in the podcast they
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57 was this use of a fire shelter if you can improve your conditions and you know
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prevent some Burns or get better air I think I've been thinking about this and think so again you know I have multiple
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answers so I have the I'm gonna come up with what are the scenarios in which I need to be wearing gloves not have
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attached to me but actually have them on my hands because I realized that I've been in a lot of situations where I
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should have been wearing them and I and I wasn't right that's one thing that's kind of really easy sort of takeaway
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right but the big thing for me is that it took reading this stuff spending
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hours and hours with all of this to get to the point where it actually did sort of this emotional weight that it would
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change Behavior I believe I mean I haven't been on a fire since it started so this we we'll see I guess but I do
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believe that that it will change my behavior and it took time but I you know
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there's some really hard things in some of these reports and when you when you read through those and others that was
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somebody right and I think like you said you know we we we need to we honor these
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people by remembering and learning from them right whether they were injured or
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or or passed away in the way of sort of reading all of these and really diving
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into them is for me I think what took it to pass from kind of the well that's
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interesting too this is something that deeply connects with me to change my behavior that's hard thing to get to I
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think but that's where you're going to be able to make a difference in yourself or with your crew or whoever it's it is
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having finding a way to make that connection so that it's truly meaningful to you and not just some kind of
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interesting part of history and some emphasis was added in red and
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bold and so then and it goes into in bold black and quite expectedly there is
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absolutely no mention in the podcast of the world-renowned June 2013 yarn Hill fire
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or the grand amount hasha tobacco or how effective the tried andrue 10 standard
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fire orders and the 18 watch out situations are toward the goal of entament avoidance once again the fact
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that these obviously completely avoided mentioning even once the most tragic wildfire in modern history is
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significant and disturbing fully supported our contention that the wlf
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LLC has clearly lost its ethically objective Compass misusing our federal
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tax dollars and strain far from it mandated roots in quotes the L in red
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and bold the LLC operates as a national inter agency federally funded
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organization with the inter agency Staffing the llc's primary goal continues to be striving to improve safe
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work and performance and organiz ational learning for all Wildland firefighters
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now consider the misinformation review 2023 authors and researchers Tay Ecker
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CTS pearlstone and leandi distinguish between
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misinformation and disinformation misinformation and bold which we Define
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as any information that turns out to be false poses an in inevitable challenge
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for human cognition and social interaction because it is a consequence of the fact that people frequently Heir
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and sometimes lie however this fact is insufficient to explain the rise of misinformation and its subsequent
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influence on memory and decision- making as a major challenge in the 21st century
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the term disinformation is often specifically used for the subset of misinformation that is spread
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intentionally thus in this review we don't draw a sharp distinction between misinformation and
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disinformation or different types of misinformation we use the term misinformation as an umbrella term
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referring to any information that turns out to be false and reserve the term disinformation for for misinformation
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that is spread with the intention to harm or deceive t t footnotes removed in
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Brackets and B indeed it perfectly describes the satar sharing misinformation can also deepen
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ideological divides that dis infr franchise individuals encourage violence
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and potential harm according to the author's EG Eric Marsh Foundation Facebook comments posted referred to the
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rnl fire authors and contributors quotes let us know where these people live we crack heads for 11 in as quotes bold and
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R currying favor with the EMF curiously falling short of legitimate Facebook
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threat and brackets I want to insert on that uh part uh
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that that person person going so close and that when someone said well you just give us their names um they're like yeah
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there she would say the the geographical locations and descriptions but never really actually put a name out um that
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is a very dangerous thing and I have a post on that somewhere uh going over that more so in
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quotes it says thus while engaged with content individuals should slow down
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think about what they're engaging and integrate their visc response people who
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thoughtfully seek accurate information are more likely to successfully avoid misinformation compared with people who
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are motivated to find evidence to confirm their pre-existent beliefs given
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the benefits of persuading onlookers through observational correction everyone should be encouraged to civil
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carefully and thoughtfully correct online misinformation where they encounter it unless they deem it a
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harmless French view all these recommendations are also fundamental principles of media literacy indeed a
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theatrical underpinning of media literacy is that understanding the aims of media protects individuals from some
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adverse effects of being exposed to information through the media including the pressure to adopt particular beliefs
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or behaviors freedom of speech does not include the right to amplification of that speech furthermore being
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unknowingly subjected to disinformation could be seen as manipulative tack on freedom of choice and the right to be
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well informed these concerns must be balanced considering the above satar quote we'll
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never know assertions and the reactants Theory and it's a link to uh that
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consider now one of the myid definitions including the psychological self-fulfilling prophecy regarding the
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fatalistic rhetoric of will never know claims in quote inold in r a self
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fulfilling prophecy refers to the phenomenon of making a prediction or expectation of something and this
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prediction becomes true because of one belief that it will and behaved in a manner that created this this suggests
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that a person's belief can influence their actions the principle of this phenomenon is that people create
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consequences regarding people or events based on their previous knowledge towards a specific subject additionally
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self-fulfilling prophecy can be applied to a negative and a positive outcome so then the next one in bold and black and
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all caps fraud on the fire Alliance question mark and I think the question mark was just added in there for myself
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because I don't know this area so um we're going to go through and read this
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but the insert of the images are from not a public records request uh but it
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is from uh going to the National and state archives uh so that I want to let
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you guys know uh ahead of time was probably one of the hardest weeks in my life uh because I'm read reading but I'm
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trying to get as much data because I only have a short amount of time to take all these photos and I'm reading and I'm
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seeing some smok and gun stuff and I have not yet put it out so we are going to be going into 2024 into 2025 with
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much more information on the rire 2013 however the information did put me down
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a few notches healthwise and then I had uh the Donna Gordon thing last summer and so I've been still in recovery but
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that is still a very important thing uh because that stuff is being processed now uh at the library so it's not
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obtainable right now to the people because that's now in process so I want to let you know that there's still much
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more to go out on the Arnell fire and and here's one of the big things right now we're about to go over it you ready
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consider now the official time recording records fire time report and crude time
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reports suggested that Jake nuttle worked on the June 2013 Yarnell fire
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which is what given at the archive Library uh June 2023 along with the lead
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investigator yeah so inserts right here are actual documents that I took photos
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of uh showing that it's still like I look at it and
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it's like whoa I never really paid attention to the lunch hours it it was listening to
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this uh post that I started to learn about that but it's uh figures N9 through 9g
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and it's Jake nuttles fire time reports the crew time reports uh from June 30th to July 7th 2013 and they are from my
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archive records so figure 9g is sheffer's CTR with 29 CFR
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78519 remarks and and in that um I want to
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explain he has always been a person that always done if you read uh his public records
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uh he always is by the book on things uh when it comes to the meal periods and so
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that is one of the things you'll see in actual public records about him uh too
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so consider now what this author alleges to establish a potentially serious ethical and legal issue for the S SW RFD
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allegedly setting a good example for all his followers and well documented based on Jo calor's public records request
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acquired crew time reports that the alleged Judas Jake nuttle worked on the rnl fire as a branch One
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Division Branch contingency 059 on the resource orders on a nine-day
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tour of Duty from July 2nd to July 10th P3 HL 96 July
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2nd 0530 to 1200 and then 1230 to 2130 and
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then July 3rd 0530 to 1200 and then 12:30 to 21:30 July 4th so it's the
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reduning so it says July 4th July 5th July 6th and on July six it then changes
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to Hazard pay for uncontrolled fire and then on July 7th the same thing for
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uncontrolled fire and then July 8th the same thing for uncontrolled fire and then it goes back to the original July
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9th 0530 to 1200 and then 1230 to 2100 and then same thing for July 10th and
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July 11th at 7 o'clock travel back to home unit all of nuttle ctrs indicated
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that he supposedly took a half-hour Bonafide compens compensable meal period each day
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pursuant to 29 CFR 7851 19a requiring him to be completely relieved from Duty
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nwcg fire business management handbook and there's a link to it
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so and each CTR was approved and signed by either an Ops Two or an Ops one what
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this completely Rel what this quote completely relieved from Duty quote
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Clause means is that nuttle as a division with supervisory responsibility
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for any number of resources would have to stop working in order to take a half hour meal period that he was required to
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show this would require ceasing Communications with those resources in person turning off his radio stop
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driving his vehicle indeed completely stop work him because he would have been
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inaccessible unavailable and unreachable for any and all manner of communications to give or receive orders follow heed
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mitigate and or ensure that his resources followed heed mitigated and or ensured any of the required Rules of
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Engagement and entrapment avoidance principles that is highly unlikely it suggests he worked through those Mill
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period times allegedly falsifying his CTR a more likely occurrence likely 99%
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of the rest of the the wild man firefighter Community because everyone else does it it's much easier and
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hasslefree this author was demoted from several Fires for failure to show a meal
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period call it what it is it's fraud on the fire line and I added the explanation in question mark because I
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don't know that topic so uh consider now this I am post from wants no truth
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responding to a question about the Yarnell fire lead investigator Brad Mayhew on investigated media by the
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Yarnell fire in Rand on hasha debacco eyewitness hiker Joy Kora on the June
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30th 200 Yarnell hillfire wants to know truth says June 22nd 2019 at 4:01 p.m. you
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will never be wrong about the Yarnell sat arriving at a conclusion first and
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then creating an error to support it Brad Mayhew can keep yelling at you in public or private settings all he
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wants to and then in quote um it's really bold
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um he is just personifying Shakespeare's quotes about when guilty people are usually the loudest ones in the room
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quote in red bold so it says me thinks he do proest
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to much it is obvious that this is what the Yarnell hillfire sat did and you
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will never be wrong it was all about liability really publish the truth and get out the checkbook say you can't be
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sure even though you have evidence you're hiding um uh me thinks he doth protest too much
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it's obvious that is what the Arnell firat did and you will never be wrong it was all about the liability really
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publish the truth and get out the checkbook say you can't be
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sure even though you have evidence you're hiding and maybe it will just go away
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what they forgot was that once you asked the entire nation indeed the world to
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mourn with you and pay homage to dead people some of us a lot of us aren't ready to swallow your some of
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us a lot of us that stood in lines and went to memorials and donated to the Widow's funds actually want to know what
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the f happened and the years that go by don't change that desire what the heck a
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little more Shakespeare anyone foul deeds will rise though all the Earth have overwhelmed them to men's eyes
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Hamlet one two. 256 okay go
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ahead two paragraphs you can f no I'm getting rough I need to take
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a okay so consider now the formative and manipulative journey of the alleged one
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and only Judas Jake nuttle on a forest Service website of October 1st 2021
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titled on the Move Jacob nuttle has accept quote Jacob nle has accepted the
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position of acting director for fire and Aviation Management in Washington DC nle
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is currently the deputy fire director for the southwestern region fire program
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the program uh Mr n is moving right along this is my thing
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so Mr n's moving right along making new friends while betraying
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others so given the alleged control proclivities of the lead investigator in
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Southwest Area Regional fire director this may be a good time to reintroduce group think listed in the incident
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response pocket guide RPG as a hazardous attitude and we show a image of that
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particular page um consider an extreme case in a
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Stanford University with a link student paper titled the theory of group think
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appli to Nan King so the leadership of a group can also lead to group thinks since complete
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control over the group by the leader can cause uh an environment
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to uh which no one States their own
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opinions when extremely rigid leadership is implemented within a group such as
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occurs in the military group discussions are often highly controlled any dissenting
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opinions lead to lend to be suppressed through
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intimidation or by simply not allowing the de Center to voice his
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objections oops gold too
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far if a leader in a group situation makes his opinion clear at the outset of
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of the discussions group members will on many occasions refrain from expressing
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any disagreement out of respect for the leaders Authority end
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quote so these are there were many symptoms of group think present in
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the overall environment at the February 202
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23 within the forest Serv hierarchy there's a distinct chain of command also
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in the Wildland firefighting realm with the hot shot having the most rigid chain of command on some hot shot
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Crews and during some wild and fire situations interpersonal pressures to
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conform are intense depending on their individual leadership styles and the
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situation at the time tolerance for non-conformity is virtually non-existent
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and extreme tactics to bring descenders into line are
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common common place the grand Mountain hot shot was a uh clear
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exception this author alleges that the yell fire lead investigator and
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Southwest Area fire director must ass surely need mental health and
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leaderships Counseling in other words they fit well into the
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categories listed here and they already uh they may already be in one of the
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therapies listed these are some of the solutions within the article link
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provided and offered by the practitioner one low self-esteem two childhood trauma
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three being bullied themselves four four lack of empathy five underlying mental health
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conditions and six being bullied can be very painful that's the part I
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removed because it didn't flow okay so and then there's an article uh
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consistency uh versus licensing
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effects ver licensing effects of P moral
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Behavior by Elizabeth mol School of Management San Jose
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University basically or biblically by contrast this author has intentionally
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chosen to focus on and travel the narrow the narrow way so enter by the narrow
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gate or with it or or wide is the gate that and Broad is
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the way that leads to destruction and there are many who go to
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it go go in by it so biblically it says
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just take the narrowed path The Road Less Traveled so that's Matthew 7 and then there's a similar uh Native
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American proverb this face never follow a a leader that is
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more in love with power than with people so Marcus aelius is alleged to
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have made this quote everything we hear is an opinion not a fact everything we
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see is a perspective not the truth so it was
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essentially attributed to Marcus aurelus it's a reminder that we should never
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think avoid taking everything we hear or see at Bas value and that's
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based at uh phacts and then the word opinion means a belief or judgment that
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is not based on fact or knowledge word fact means uh something that's known
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to be true the word perspective means a way of finding it of uh of looking at
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something the word truth means something uh that there is
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a okay in accordance is true in accordance with a fact the quote
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suggests that we should be critical of the information that we receive we
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should not simply accept what we hear or give it
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truth we should question it and try to understand the perspective of the person
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who is altering it oras wants to know the truth always said as a trust but
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verify okay back to the quote U this can be
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uh this can be a difficult concept to to grasp especially if we have been
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conditioned to believe that everything we hear or see
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is true but it's important to remember that our perception of reality is stamped by
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our uh own experiences beliefs and
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biases if we want to see the world more clearly we need to be open to different
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perspectives we we need to be willing to question our
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own beliefs and to learn from others this author not myself takes exception
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here making the distinction between a mere opinion and a professional opinion
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given the latter assertion more credibility truth telling is one of the most fundamental tenants of life in
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general so then based on what you just considered do you think that nuttle acted illegally and unethically with his
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Feb 2023 edct or did he act ethically and legally albite distantly with the scope
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of his authority given the SWA usfs wfs
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and other within the SWA are under the rfds supervision on a fire sment will
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they be forced to deal with this alleged Janice Janice faed individual the same
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one that may have merely been adhering to their chain of command sheepishly relayed through the SWA steering
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committee chairman that he prohibited this author from attending the February 22nd 23rd 2023 Southwest area IHC
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Workshop stating in bold read because of all our lawsuits against the United States Forest Service all your foe
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requests and your persistent speaking truth to power attitude and question mark really what happened there please
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consider our tried and true First Amendment rights in quote Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment
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of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the
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right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances First
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Amendment of the United States Constitution passed by Congress September 25th 1789 and R ratified on
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December 15 1791 in the American Library Association link First Amendment and censorship further consider what this
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author firmly believes and heares to free Court regarding the February 2023 event and it's in read the first
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amendment protects some of our most cherished rights including religious liberty Free Speech a free press the
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right to assemble and the right to petition our government for a redress of grievances in bold and R together these
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essential rights are connected to the freedom of conscience protecting our ability to think as we will and speak as
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we think constitutioncenter.org in bold and bigger letters in red
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together the essential rights are connected to the freedom of conscience protecting our ability to think as we
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will and speak as we think Constitution Center lawsuits in red bold all your
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lawsuits against the United States for service Sheffer versus US Department of Agriculture casetext.com
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2018 fory your request all your foyer requests of foyer project freeing
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information through public accountability Fred J shuffler versus USDA number 18-1
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16371 D.C do number 2 semicolon 17- cv-
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z55 dgms jusa not for publication and this
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disposition is not appropriate for publication it is not PR preceded except as provided by the ninth circuit Rule
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36-3 and why is that firefighter fights feds for radio records from deadly
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Arizona wildfire in quotes the US Department of Agriculture is KN only
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hiding some radio traffic recordings from the 2013 Yarnell fire near presc Arizona instead telling a firefighter
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who sued to get to the recordings that they were turned over to the state investigators and made public shortly
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after the fire the firefighters attorney told the nth circuit panel Friday Courthouse News Link in bold black night
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circuit he's former Pac and Hot Shot chief Fred schaer's appeal for aerial
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firefighting records of Yarnell fire investig media February 12 2020 in bold
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black where has the USDA usfs hidden the June 30th 2019 yarn fire AFU transcript
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public records from our site November 6 2020 bold black Fred J shuffler the usfs
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aerial firefighting use and Effectiveness afue study was utilized on the rnl fire on June 30th 2013
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and recorded to air to ground radio transmission that exist as audio and written transcripts these recordings and
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transcripts as a three ring binder are being withheld and denied that they even exist hey insert here before this is
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part of a thing a huge thing before you even got word of that Fred I knew over a
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year before you from being on the mountain and I was given those words and I wrote it down had no clue what ah I
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didn't know what AFU I didn't didn't know what CW T was I had to learn that
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stuff and it's so interesting I pulled a Foya and then you pulled a Foya and we look at that that's crazy and you have
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some documents what takes government software and and we'll maybe learn
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because another person may help us so we'll see so then um it says are being
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withheld and denied that they even exist I just came across a few the ninth circuit
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I have to stop this because it says it's running out a room so there's about 30 minutes left so I'll download this and
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then we'll do the last part I just want to additionally uh State uh where we're
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at is uh the last part but we never get to finish this post just so you know
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it's a long process
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