Video 57: Transcript
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they're using the events apps for a for um anticipated
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uh weather and fire behavior and stuff so now and then uh as part of the you
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know calpire and the other agencies now use avenza primarily for uh
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for uh apps and uh logistics and topo maps and everything
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good there's events i guess so well i'm gonna go eat but
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yeah i'm going to go eat but i wanted to close out uh one of the top things because sonny's an old miner and lager
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and uh you recently talked to him and we were talking about how firefighters have a shorter life expert
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even to minor and loggers they have a shorter life uh than that
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and then um but do you see uh that i think the last time i looked in
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april it was 44 44 of firefighters are over the age of 40. is that the same with dozer guys
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or women um
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uh yeah i would think it would seem to be true uh more and more there's
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some younger you have to be a minimum of uh for a dozer i think you got to be
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21 i'm not sure 20 or some funny thing or 20. i know you got to be at least 18
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i think to be on the fire line or i think you have to be at least 21 to be on the fire line too right at all yeah i
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believe it's 21 and of course with a current rt190 certification card and then uh
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to even be on yeah to help or to pump diesel or to help out on the fight whatever it is your your job is is uh
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the minimum quals or the rt190 so but then i think you got to be yeah one
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21 and then when i was here this week i've met a variety of people but one of them was a smoke jumper and he was
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saying that they only earn like 16 bucks and that's a foreman can earn up to like
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24 bucks and he that they don't make anything extra for jumping out of you
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know parachute jumps and but they do receive hazard pay but it's only 25 of the base pay when
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you know you're working in uncontrolled wildland fire he's like and they get picked on the most from the hot shot
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community have you ever seen any thing on your end where there's like a
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rivalry like like back in the 50s you know hot shot versus smoke jumper or do you
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not ever see any of that it is here in arizona um yeah uh that's not so the paid thing
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and there's a couple of things that you hit it on there um oh shoots
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what do you mean as far as my point of view in the dozera contractor world or even agency dozer guys or they kind of
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have a rivalry going on have you ever come across any kind of
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multi-jurisdiction or any kind of thing where hot shots versus smoke jumpers or dozer
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guys versus you know something no i've never no i maybe maybe
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have heard a joke and it was a real joke everybody laughed and the guys were a couple of grassroots
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guys and uh i think it was like in the chow line or something somebody said something that though smoke jumpers with
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us or uh hot shots of that and then i think both of them's comments were actually so uh so strong that
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they both laughed and they're going hey bro you know what i know you know i'm just giving you a heck i
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used to be a hot shot so i all this and so but uh
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i don't know you know i think there is uh i've never really heard it though but i think there could be and i don't know
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about between it could be fuels or hotshots or who's the high guy on the on the rung or with the top brass
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or what you know because of course the airman guys they're uh uh in my book uh they're very respected
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i think in most people's book it's the same because they do something that just freaks most of us out jumping out of a
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perfectly good airplane that's like what what are we doing well he pissed again you know so
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even some of the guys just said that on the videos like what you know what do i do but anyway funny stuff but no i
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haven't ever heard really but i do believe in crew if you get into the crew cohesiveness
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uh discussions or about that and sm there is amongst crews and crew cohesion
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cohesiveness and uh issues or uh maybe uh competing uh
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or uh yeah i think at those levels uh but i've never really
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seen you know anybody uh just jokingly engaged in that but i did that not to
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say that at that aspect or not you know isn't there well that's why when dr ted
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putman was a smoke jumper and he worked at brazil labs and fred was a hot shot he always like starts off
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he always starts off with he talks to cruz like haha you know any smoke jumpers in the audience you know and
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then he'll pick a joke and stuff so to re-answer your question um
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there is a time when i have heard i think it was someone a couple guys
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that i knew that had made a remark about um
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it was actually a high up person that i knew i remember actually who made the remark i'm not going to repeat his name
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but uh they did make a remark about smoke forgive me for saying this
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but they did make a remark about a smoke jumper heat their time what was he doing the idea of the fire of battalion
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crueler and this guy that made that remark maybe
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right i just he i did hear that it was a comment where
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it did have validity because of who said it and uh so but at that point at that level i don't know what they're trying i
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don't have their qualifications i've never and who's whose iq was you know and i know that they've said oh the iq
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of firefighters they posted that several times in the ads on facebook and on the news and and i'm like man
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that ain't to me it's not cool the iq come on listen hey at the bare minimum a
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firefighter if he goes out you know i mean do they people don't have no idea how hard work it is they don't even know
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just let me see the guys on the boots on the ground doesn't matter even the smoke jumpers they gotta hike their butts off
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believe you me they drop them oh yeah it looks good in there and then they go they gotta
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sometimes pack saws everything and so uh they uh are pretty awesome the smoke
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they they literally may not be uh recognized for that but they get dropped
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they get you know it all looks good from there let me tell you so the people when you said the boots on the ground um
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tom harper this year when i was hiking with him on top of the weaver mountains with roy hall he had his um old boots
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from like back in the 60s or so i think it was the 70s recording oh shoot
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with me yeah okay yeah i think it is still rolling is that okay now we were talking about the 10 and 18
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you look at it i know you and i talked about the 10 and 18 and then it went all the way through
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there that's fine we have good backup yes i mean it's good back and forth flow
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so back up to tom harper he was wearing his uh boots you know and he's had them all these decades and he always done is
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resold them guys love their their boots or their right leg they'd rather than give up their boots you know
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the the the fire the guys on the ground they're great you know i mean i can't i'm not i
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did pull in line in the woods and hooking logs so yeah i was gonna say my i have lager boots and so and i have
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banners and stuff like that but um it seems like there's even with that like the hot shot versus smoke jumper but
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there's like jk boots whites and you know there's just a whole bunch of lines up oh yeah i mean
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maybe in arizona and partzilla idaho they're pretty proud of oh that's not
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the one with that ain't what you know and then everybody on that crew has these so
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i get what you're saying yeah and i never got into that like to me um why would i pay five to seven hundred
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dollars for a booth but no but they do you look on the
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wildland fire buy trade will sell websites the guys are and uh but you can
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get good deals on there too by the way but they're yeah no they i understand it to you because when i was young i didn't
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have a bulldog all these things and i loved logging boot just my neighbors were log truck drivers yeah but i like
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the logger boot and and i do the same the logger boot in the wildland bay is almost
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the same it's basically there there is several that's our two in the same and then there's several that specify this
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or the other um eight inches top with a vibram sole is what a region five uses is really their
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correct to meet their criteria which is a eight inch upper minimum and then uh
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it's either eight or ten and then uh minimum with a vibram soul heal that's
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what they that's our standard um you there i've seen us contractors get away with way less to
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the point where i actually wouldn't allow them to wear those but uh there's guys that do have issues with their feet
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and they're spending a lot of time on fire let's say two three months even some of these guys little dozer with uh
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you know those type of boots if they're not used to wearing them um you know i had kind of a pair of tanners
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kind of a little bit custom made for me after all these years i could barely afford so but i couldn't
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afford new boots and uh very pleased with what the guy did but to find a good boot that's it's not thinsulate or
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some funny stuff that makes your foot hot and uh has too high a heel or not enough heel or whatever all these you
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know things and that i've learned over the years what work and the high heel is definitely to
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save your calf muscle on steep inclines it gives you a two inch platform versus
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your calf muscle moving that extra two inches on a steep hill to propel you
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this will vary and the heels can be dug in very deep on a decline and so there's
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a very purpose for the typical vibram sole high-heeled
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wildland type logger boot there's a very and but they are heavy and they can be hot different models of them can be
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different uh issues with them so i kind of had mine built you know a little not quite such a high heel all
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these things i got to walk on the dozer tracks to get on it i don't hopefully have to do too much time on foot and i
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learned what works well for me and so i had a cut a cobbler view me some boots i'm very happy with them and
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so but uh and they're they're cool they're not they're not a heavy super thick white
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leather there there's actually different thicknesses they build boots with tanner uses like one of the thinnest that's why
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theirs are very comfortable i like dinner because they're lighter i like dinner because they're lighter
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and then they're generally lighter because of their the heel yeah
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but they do make a wildland boot uh and then i like the lacrosse for the snake boots i have the lacrosse but i
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met a firefighter who had the lacie see over here of the cheese it's l-u-c-c-h-e-s-e
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so i think i've seen them they're 15 they're 15 000 boots
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and and i've never seen that and he took he took his alligator boots and turned them into
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wildland fire boots oh okay yeah i think maybe i have an
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idea about what you're talking about yeah yeah so that's kind of a little bit extreme but so the only boots i've ever
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worn are snake boots fire boots and uh two-stroke uh to get on my uh two-stroke
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bike uh other other than that i don't i don't really pay attention to it so like
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yeah those are actually wouldn't be too bad for except for they're not comfortable to wear on a while that fire
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but they do offer a good uh i've worn them around the yard and weed eating and and cutting wood the motorcycle boots
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the the dirt bike are extremely uh offer good ppe values but uh yeah they're not
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very comfortable one on a fire so you'd be hating those but the guys on the ground they definitely have a love for
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their boots it's hard to understand or even explain to the normal normal uh joe
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public out there that's not orientated to but they're very particular about their ppe uh i have learned
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in even a little jealousy factor of men you know and if i ever get caught or
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or whatever happens am i really ready so i made my own wildland pack you can pay
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the the minimum's like 500 and then or right in there and then uh
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so i made out of my old web gear actually um it's good true north web gear it's
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got good padding and then that it can support a lot of weight it's got a very good anchor around your waist
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with nice padding and adjustability which i i'm not a packer or hiker i don't know about that system but i i
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saw how the wildland packs are made and the weight is uh offset more around your waist and uh it looks like kind of like
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the uppers are like wearing suspenders and uh kind of a funny looking pack so i uh can't afford all these things i have
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an old web gear it's made by true north the very fine piece of gear uh brand name company uh and um
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i attached a cheap big five sporting goods uh tactical like
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uh you know shooting cat hunting tactical backpack to my web gear uh specifically attached it similar to the
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to the wild uh to the mystery ranch pack and uh
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and and so i made my own and i just because i was jealous of those guys and i i'm not
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jealous of the sweat and the heart you know that i admire them and i i can't do the ground thing i tried it once and uh
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we we didn't get packed out of the fire by a helicopter but i uh it was it was a tough uh
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event for me i'll never do the oc or the boots on the ground but i have had to walk extremely
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long distance on even being attached to a dozer on a fire and uh thank god fire
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wasn't chasing me because i can guarantee you what was going through my mind just as i got fatigued and you
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remember last september when we were talking about um my experience at wildland firefighter foundation and well
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that this woman wanted boots so bad and i was like yeah you imagine them and i talked to a
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guy there years ago and i really didn't wasn't impressed with him but i think your experience was less than
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well but we always take things into the positive and when i think back and i think about the woman that wanted the
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boots so bad and he opened up the place and um he explained that the jk boots were family owned and operated and they
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handcrafted the highest quality and stuff and they're made in the usa and in this the materials were sourced right
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there you know so it's not overseas and they build the toughest things and stuff like that i remember the the girl was so
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happy that like the total was a certain amount and she says just keep the rest of the money um
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uh for your foundation and stuff like that and i just thought that was pretty cool like to see someone not only be
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interested in buying the boots but also um investing there was a big large difference in like hit the change back
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you know and he said i'll get it you all that and she didn't worry about it it was like really neat to see that and so i never
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looked not once since that whole year went by i never looked once for jk boots
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at all i just know that they were custom i was gonna get because they did custom work i was going to have arizona
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desert um i think there was an emf foundation with advertiser kind of
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putting out there he was donating some some proceeds or some funds from his earnings to
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or you know one of the other emf or the what or wf oh yeah no wff
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gets a cut they get cut back and forth but i've never looked i was going to get them because it was a custom
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no i just do remember not to pay off i did the booths but the uh i do remember that yeah there was pretty i seem to me
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you're awful kind of hard about it i think then but uh or not really understanding but that
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those that while the the uh what's the arizona wildland firefighter foundation or whatever is
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that what's called yes um yeah the i um yeah from what i remember what you told
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me there was some i uh how do i begin but so they didn't uh
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maybe especially for a person that um of your structure and then that apparently
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you did give um a donation uh pretty uh pretty uh considerable and uh and it
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should be even considerable or not it's all who can afford to do what and their intentions yeah well i've raised i
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really think my intentions have always been pure very good that's what i remember yeah and i continue to see like
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this it's just kind of like a standoffish uh and and i get like this voice in my
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head saying well they have a lot of firefighters that they have to handle and they but i do remember last summer i
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said i need help i need mental counseling i tried to go through
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i need someone that knows about fires and stuff like that and i never um i remember sitting in front of the person
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that originated the thing and she's like what can i do for you and i expressed it and i never seen even communications
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except for this past summer this like maybe a month ago i got a friend's uh
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request or for or accepted my friend's request from last year you know from and and but during
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the whole year i did fundraisers i was really pumping it up and and i with no
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expectations i really wasn't um i just was excited and i wasn't trying to belong to
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anything because i don't even roll that way and you don't either we're just like we're the recluse people of the world like we rolled differently and so
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when i was you just by the way well i gotta i'll call you or you call me back but i got
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there's a message about a fire here that i'm trying to oh okay gotcha i'll let you go but
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well we can close yeah we could close it because i got to go i got to go eat but i just won
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my my whole deal with um fires is i look out for the miners and
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the loggers and i used to do for the ranchers until i learned some of the ranchers are tied to blm as fmaos or
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fmos and i have a different thought nowadays and
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no yeah and then one thing we didn't bring up may not be actually a good thing we'd bring up but the uh
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there's uh the neighbors of breads of the hounds and everything else we've learned that
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they've made things very difficult on you so but we could do that on another time yeah so i'm gonna go eat this thing
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i'll call you back in a little bit you tell me um maybe like an hour or two i'll call you back but i'm gonna go get
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some meat and then you can do your fire thing and all in all though we were not leaving off on the forgetting about how
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you i felt about how they treated you at that foundation and stuff and we'll get back to that definitely yeah
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i i mean like i always want to try things in the positive that's the how i have to roll in life because um and it
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goes back to that um remember the human teak or what was a human you know
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no the human um that song the human league or the one yeah
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oh goodness it's called them we are yeah it's very slow song it's
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really cool it's uh european i like that kind of older 80s uh but yeah we're only human it's really
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soft and you'd almost think it was by wham or somebody yeah and when i got punched when i got punched this week i
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that's the first thing that came to my head that was that i was like this was in arizona or no over here off of broadway
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um it right off the broadway right around the corner from wildland firefight foundation and that monday
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when uh one of the staff members told me to not go on friday and that you she had
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uh the holy spirit come that something bad was gonna happen to me so i didn't know if that was a premonition or she overheard something that's where i was i
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was like what that did not feel good at all so then
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when i got there and i was getting less than nice treatment uh that day i was
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being kind of they were real standoffish and then i was told by someone they know that they had uh some you know they're
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dealing with heavy stuff firefighters and deaths and suicide and stuff but you know when somebody's ghosting you or
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standoffish and i you feel it you know it so i mean you know when someone's welcoming and stuff
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and hey and then apparently they're making it that they're being very defensive about
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something that like apparently no yeah who knows they just are kind of giving themselves away in a way but not always
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but it's if they're overly defensive and they have no reason to be that way towards
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you and my my feelings but then people are assaulting assaulting you or
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attacking
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it's a serious it's a very serious thing when i'm walking doing my normal four to eight and a four eight in the morning
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four to eight and and then have that happen it set the tone of um
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there's nobody else making any warnings there was nobody else anywhere saying joy don't do this or anything so when
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i'm being warned from the actual entity it was really hard for me and i wanted to say something there but when i saw
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the cop outside with him i decided at that point to use my discernment and
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wait and do things in a more proper way i'll just put the body cam out and show that hey i'm not the one that's a
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problem i'm there for the helping you know and anytime anybody can call you know so i
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just i think it's sad giving of you and uh yeah that's uh yeah
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and these people get an income i don't get an income i'm just a housewife that's getting certified in the industry
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to learn and gain knowledge these people get an income and i still get a lack of respect and i
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i do i do in my heart believe i'm owned an apology on many areas but that would be one of them
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yeah for sure no really because if you look at the body cam and he states that
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um that i have a history of doing that no i don't and and then if you look at my
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blog and if you look at the people tied to their wff board members my blog partner has said stuff but not
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me and i get associated so yeah no i i know i do good and i have a pure heart
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and and i'll tell you we we will one day get on the road you and i together and
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and do the dozer thing at some point i'm just doing the two days a week on my brain tumors
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one day and uh yeah so because you have those qualifications amongst many others so but that's
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um yeah i know that'd be great to uh someday tie in and have face to face and
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say hey and maybe it'll be on a fight or somewhere or we end up going together as part of a
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crew or one or the other's crew something like that that would be great and uh but yeah that's um you know the thing is
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is you gotta keep going though and i think yeah you've had enough positive information from very very um
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couldn't be in my eyes any more considerable important people from that incident that were
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indirectly as their family members however indirect or directly involved yeah they don't
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it's gonna be tough because people are gonna i say they're always gonna go uh
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you know as much as they may say oh you're going against the grain they're actually going fighting a whole
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um real entity of like you know it's just spiritual there's karma there's all
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these things that i don't want to that actually does but there's very you know realm of things that
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and when people perish and their families are close to uh to them and have to reflect and
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uh they've begun to appreciate you and uh and i think some of them
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will uh more and more actually i think it will become
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open and uh and forget willing and whatever
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to uh have reflections on on the incident and it is such a thing you know
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hey remember last summer when i was so sad about it like i was really like i was confused and i was asking you
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because well you remember because you're i said you're you're i said i didn't really want to know you because you were close
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to my age and i just experienced something very odd and stuff and i didn't want to so what's weird is like i
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think back or and i go gosh had i not heard and i've been in that living room
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and i heard um the mother of him say she needs to get on the next plane she's controversial i think had i never
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heard that i i wouldn't be as scarred right now you know what i'm saying i think it's that beginning part where
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she's trying to push me out because him and i had a good rapport until that moment there was nothing
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you know and it was my first experience to be around someone my own age and i remember when my high school
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buddies are a little bit older than him they were kind of taken back because um they're like hey
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you know like you could have talked to us or you know chilled with us and it was really my first experience in
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life and so it i thank you so much not just for your service on firefighter but for being there for me and let me get
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all that out because it was so confusing at that time for me i didn't know how to take it or handle
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it i didn't know what to i tried to kind of go along with what
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you were having as far as uh you know emotions and uh things were getting thrown at you and just trying to
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to uh support what your good intentions were which is you know when uh it's it's hard
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it's hard when you're catching plaque from it's uh no matter how good our intentions are
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um but uh it's hard to it's sometimes been even impossible to
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continue so there was times that you needed a break in there and now you were you were just literally upset and i kind
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of even angered it just like i think i was a lot of pits of anger because um it
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was like i got ghosted and i didn't understand why is scott get to have a good rapport and we're the
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same like literally we're the same and then i'm like oh wait i'm a girl you know like i just didn't like that feel
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that he was okay and chill with him but i couldn't be okay and chill and so it was a hard process for me because
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even if i'm not totally hard probably i remember being on it yeah listening to but he and even
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at that it has to i'm just coming into my thought now that
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that we got to remember so many things to be able to rise above things so thank
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you um yeah it's just unreal to uh a challenge so but in that there's this
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weird unnecessary unfair unproper unmoralistic pecking order of
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the human race that occurs as after we're born thrust into uh
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life you know so let me see so and yeah and i got it is i don't know if it's our
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last name or our first name what we look like or what but it's it's it just seems that i'm not too sure
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i believe in fate or destiny all these things i'm not even gonna get into that but just yeah it seems
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that one person can you know go atop the mountain and uh be heard
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and uh one other guy may not be heard on the same hill and one guy that's an
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insignificant uh even mouse in the lower land can just barely make
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something and he's heard and how is it that even i feel so many times in that same
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places you felt all the time actually and uh i'm going like well i mean what i got to learn is or i gotta keep poking
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into my head is just like what i just said we to rise above things we gotta end uh
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so there's just um yeah we're only human like the song says
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that's a good good thing and uh no matter what there's always gonna be
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your phone is playing some funny music all of a sudden again
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that's okay so big like i said it's only you know to keep you kind of on track i just
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was trying to support you but like i said no matter how correct or proper our morals might be um
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depending on what neighborhood we're in so to speak is it going to fit i remember telling
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you and i remember telling my husband right yeah i remember
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yeah but i remember telling my husband and you and a few others scott and stuff that i
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the newness of being around that environment like stuff i remember feeling like well i can actually
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because i've never had a relationship i've always been best friends with john and we got married but that was my first time in life that i actually thought i
1:59:00
can actually know somebody and then when we start talking remember we kind of like it was like it was so overwhelming
1:59:06
in the beginning the first two days were so because i was so taken in we had so many things and talking and come
1:59:13
in the beginning and then we had a point where we kind of clashed and we were both kind of well because
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but don't you think that don't you think the clash was happening because um we had so many things in
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common and it was kind of like in its own right there were so many factors and then on top of those to add to those
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factors there were life factors that i was going through some
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heavy things you had been going through heavy things and it had been kind of escalating yeah with the helms yeah with
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the ycson we were we weren't we were putting a demand on what friendship we had
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outside of um the fire a little bit and just because we had we were friends and but we it was
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a it weighed on our uh friendship as far as how we were communicating on fire
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and then how we felt even that day if we were having a good day or bad day because god knows you have some medical conditions that are that are real and
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it was uh but yeah a little challenging thing yeah the friday before the friday before i left my doctor came
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into my um in the office and i didn't know that he had said the same thing to scott because he now goes to the doctor
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and he said that joy it's such a like your name fits you so perfectly because
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if people only knew all the medical records i own and and if they only knew all the stuff you have up
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against you you are such a joy you know yes yeah and i do i try to have a
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positive and i try to i after listening to that body cam yesterday
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or saying oh she's trying isn't that the weirdest thing yeah and it's funny because when i listened that body cam
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and he was saying the things about um i have a history of harassing i was like you know i'm not going to react because
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that's his thing that's not my thing i got to stay in there that was the remark to try to trigger
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you to see if you would uh yeah yeah but i mean that person never knew i was gonna get the body cam they they don't
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know how savvy i am on getting records and i already got it you know and it was funny on the body cam he was asking can
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i have a copy of this and the guy's like no because i didn't write an incident report so um and then
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he and then he's like well i'd like a copy and and so i already have it all i i got the copy of the incident report
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and the body cams and and and i looked at it and i thought somebody got in his
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ear and i don't know if it's a combination of family members friends or the people from the yarnell somebody
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got in his ears because we were totally fine and then all of a sudden it went weird and
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like it's just strange well as much as we're you know if we reflect
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it actually may have began at your first meeting that uh even i didn't see right away but i think i kind
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of was smelling the coffee and but you didn't see it because you're you're kind of like oh these are good people
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and no worries which which should be totally reasonable thought but i remember gary l
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olsen called [ __ ] on that and you did too and um like you don't do those kind of
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things to somebody that has health issues or even to a stranger you don't offer those kind of things
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you know so oh well i'm gonna go eat dinner talk to you in about an hour or two and we'll catch up some more
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yeah yeah but for some reason do you can you receive a text at this
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because for some reason i may be i'm not i don't think i'm leaving to a fire tonight but i may be
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yeah it didn't go okay it was a very weird week like i said in recap i went to the wff tour learned some information
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to not go on friday interview
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yeah wildland firefighter yeah i went on the tour by betty and
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then i was told to um you know don't go on friday well actually she said don't go tomorrow which i was going to sun
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valley and then when i explained it more she goes oh no it's the interview don't go friday and then when i got i got
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punched three times once in the left twice in the right um and i'll tell you that hurt like and then and when they
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made the same comments she did i you gotta wonder
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yeah it makes you wonder and then when she came up to me and said that he's calling the cops and i needed to go
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and all that yeah defensive i would still make a answer
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for him i am yeah i did i i wrote them um a public records request for the um
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lawyer over here at the hotel and i have i asked for the body cam of the officer talking to me and then that one i said
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hey i've tried to make an answer report but that doesn't fall under any of the categories so um that's where it's left
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right now so i'm gonna go grab something to eat now them and then you text me i don't get downloadable text i only get
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text where you type it you know yeah right right okay sounds good yeah you mean yeah right
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not messengers texts yeah that's phone number right gotcha all right good talking with you
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talk soon yeah no totally everything is very good that conversation and um it's
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just like i said well i just want to heal you know i want to heal and you really help my mental health that's what i was hoping to get from the wff that's
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what i was asking on monday and then the other day um i asked again in an email and they just
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disregarded me and i i just needed someone to talk to i mean it's really a lot of stuff that i
2:04:56
i know more than i speak and it's really hard to keep all that in you know and and they didn't help and it was really
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sad yeah i'm i under i'm flicked
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i'm i understand and uh it's not yeah anyway yeah you just we you got to
2:05:14
continue on and put that but behind you oh yeah it's already i'm already done with it i mean like that's i don't even
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think negative about them or anything it's just for me to experience that this past week it was whoa and then the watch the body
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cam was even whoa you know i was like what what's kind of [ __ ] is going on here because uh none of that adds up
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unless somebody's orchestrating something behind the scenes that's the only times it adds up you know
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because i'm not i'm not here for harm we'll figure it out we already kind of we kind of figured
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right yeah it's called um i was it from the boss hogs the good
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old boys yeah the right that guy he said something well hey we'll talk uh in
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about and what's it for six now
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um [Music] 646.
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okay all right
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