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Destroying Business Records on a Historically Significant Fire is illegal.
Also, illegally redacting Yavapai County Sheriff's Office (YCSO) body cams recordings are also unacceptable.
Ephesians 6: 10-18 (KJV); Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
from my mother - Facebook gif on 2-5-22:
Do you know what is very sad about all this, Yavapai County Sheriff's Office ( YCSO )?
...me having to waste the time to counter your YCSO's June 2021-June 2022 notice to me that YCSO are building a Criminal case against me.
What is up with that ???
Saying I have to wait until "Discovery" to see anything, they still have my custom "No Trespassing" signs "in Evidence"
And you YCSO know full well my current health, so then, how odd is all this?
Seems I go from the malpractices of the medical world to now seeing this rubbish, which could be classified as likely law enforcement malpractice, right? If I shared it all that I have experienced since June 30, 2013, you may feel the same.
My father, if he were still alive, would know how to handle these folks- he worked as an officer in his lifetime besides helping to build the Twin Towers in New York and the tallest building in Arizona.
I know it has confused former YCSO deputy, Dan, down the street. He never liked me in all this Yarnell stuff. Life was much simpler before Yarnell Hill Fire 2013. And he used to be employed by YCSO back in the day.
I have posts already out there showing the evidence that there is no legitimate case. Here are the links to those posts:
It is odd.
Consider now the email thread below between myself and the Arizona State Ombudsman, Danee Garone, here:
answered two questions:
I asked for an update on my complaint I made 141 days, 22 hours, 58 minutes and 13 seconds ago and still nothing from Garone and it is 2/5/22:
STILL NOTHING from any of them.
This has been appx. 240 days since I filed original request so really, I should have the body cam redactions lifted already. I got two duplicate CDs recently and so then, I am owed $30.00 refund. Nothing yet.
I asked for their YCSO Chain of Command (Organizational Chart) so we will see ---
I received the chart:
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In the above email states:
"The next step is that Sgt. Ashby will long form charges for trespassing (this is NOT a civil matter) to the Yavapai County Attorney’s Office." ---
"It is at this time that all evidence in this matter would be turned over to your chosen attorney, public defender etc." ---
"the evidence presented against you and to attempt to reach a conclusion without having a trial."
This is me calling Yarnell Court 9-20-21 and I used a professional transcription software so you will notice our names and times and some of what was relevantly to this post and what was said:
As of 2-3-22- I only received two duplicates of same one I got months ago - no redactions lifted and I appealed again now twice and requested $30.00 refund. Nothing else yet.
My history with Sgt Ashby's Supervisor, Lieutenant. Jarrod Winfrey:
and New tab (youtube.com) - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6MgYQhLVBq92QwaOYVW_ig/videos
C O L L U R A not COLLARA.
I am a law-abiding citizen yet in 2022, I will take the records to the GMHS / GMIHC Family Advocates and let them learn what I had to accept when searching for Dec 1, 2014, Sgt Ashby's "bad manners towards me" recording.
It is difficult to have to see the document especially all these years how I have been treated on being one of the last people with the GMIHC and I was on the Weavers, and I am alive to share about the matter than to see this file. It was disturbing.
It is disturbing. The hard part for me was seeing the associations and WHO they are tied in with from the GMHS / GMIHC and their family and friends of the people who collected the items and handed it to another. That should not be allowed, and it should be a Conflict of Interest.
If I was that deputy that week and I just learned my associate and or associate to the families just died - I would state to my Superior I cannot be handed these items because I am personally and or professionally associated to some in the GMIHC Family & Friend area. You did not though. You signed the document as taking the items. What happened from that point on? Did you tell the entire facts to your associates? Did you tell little bit of information? Why haven't you been named in any SAIT SAIR or ADOSH report or even to this day on something so crucial like what was in your hands, sir - why is there no public area especially the Investigation Reports where you announce what you collected right near the _______??? Yes, .29 miles away from the Deployment Zone. Why, sir?
So then, you can see why I really feel uneased because ... who ... "out of the blue" were a thorn to me in 2021 and 2022 - but the ______ and so do you get me here.
Watch the YCSO body cams of the interaction between the ____ and YCSO--- they spoke about an injunction was denied on one of the cams in regard to me
but I asked for that document from the Courts and YCSO and neither have provided me of this "denied" order of protection document and why am I being refused to have a copy??? Very off. Very odd. I should know how they are attempting to allegedly/falsely portray me to Authorities and a Yarnell Judge.
and yet I had zero interactions with either of them at that point except the Yavapai College book signing event and they were good and kind to me (recorded event) and even when I saw Lee Helm 4-11-21 (recorded event) he was decent so believe you me when I saw this document it made me wonder --- why are they treating me this way?
They even got Basden all worked up. There were enough witnesses though on a recent event where Basden was less than appropriate to another up there so I ponder at times who I would do a 'cease and desist' and like I said I am countering building my case against all of them now. Right!?
Why would something like that information be hidden from the official reports? or from the Public at Large? You all had many years to let the officials, families and I know. Yes me. I am the one who gathered the most documentation and I deserve to know that too especially on a fire I almost died on.
I just want the public records to figure it all out. Take documents to lead to a conclusion versus listening to others' narratives. How does that make me feel how I got treated like I have over the years?
Many and too many treat me bad. Makes zero sense. Just because I want to learn the documented truth vs narratives to a fire I eye witnessed and almost died on that fire.
I rarely see anyone recognizing that I have every right to figure out why I almost died on June 30, 2013.
Instead, I have people locally new to area the past few years speak like you will hear on YCSO body cam here---marker 48:23:
I asked from this entity's ( YCSO ) stuff to do with Yarnell 2013 (Public Records) --- the thousands of documents I have, they did not come from YCSO but another entity who technically is not the Custodian of Records yet here we are - I have the files and then some ... ???
--- what gives YCSO????
Yet they have the manners as you see here towards me. Link to the videos: Joy Collura - YouTube
I think it is rubbish how they are most likely coaching if you watch my path since 2013.
Again, I was told YCSO had an alleged 'storage fire' when asking for some records, so I went to City of Prescott and did this request that took 97 days to fulfill it, see:
I attached YCSO email document to PRR but since it has been removed so here it is again:
There were NO REPLIES to the above emails---and I even did it again with the YCSO PRR Supervisor in 2022 when I was very unwell and kept dreaming about this alleged 'storage fire' that happened that was why I was not given the YHF 2013 records in its entirety, so I wanted to make sure I kept documented this topic because 12-31-21 I discovered the YCSO folder in the voluminous AZSF PRR that I received ages ago:
I am now going to make a post just on ONE document/file - just to show what YCSO told ADOSH was illegal when stating "destroy" in the letter YCSO sent to ADOSH on they had 30 days to get items before they were released or destroyed. I will break it down in laymen terms. Here is one of the files:
What I find interesting about this letter is that Yavapai County Sheriff's Office was making the statement "destroyed" to the ADOSH Investigators ... on 19 deaths - Why such a deadline ??? A lot of data and a lot of people to reach and a lot of people died so how can you destroy something when there was so much data and a lot of people to reach about hows and whys on why firefighters died and the local affects as well.
I would think more time should have been granted especially when in 2013 the Investigators had to deal with Employee Furlough concerns. And their interview inquiries were being blocked by the whole restrictive Touhy regulations and the archaic Federal Housekeeping statute were used to restrict USFS interviews. It gives the Federal Departments full control of their employees and their records. Many stressful blocks were placed upon all the Investigators...more so on ADOSH Investigators than the SAIT - SAIR, in my humble opinion.
Especially when you read what the original incoming inventory sheet read which I will have in this post down below (redacted for the blog- I still have to meet with the GMHS / GMIHC loved ones and the 'Family Advocate' with the AZSF who gave me these records and that is in action to happen).
I mean if one is doing a true assessment or a book - it will be filed in my way of thinking as narratives/perceptions/agendas only.
Whereas, I give you the documents for free even though many of these records costs me huge amounts of monies, so we all as the Public at Large can make our own individual proper assessment versus the "deadline" product we all saw in 2013.
Official YCSO letter to Bruce Hanna. see below:
The word "destroyed" would hold no weight and I will explain later but these are the actual documents (below) that would happen next on any "Historically Significant" Wildland Fire Fatalities - the records are permanent. i.e.
'Do not destroy them' -see:
Let me walk you through this ... I am getting less than proper ethical and professional treatment since I began pulling FOIAs and Public Records
( PRRs ) since 2014.
It is NOT up to any public official's whims to pick and choose who or what to redact. I have seen that over and over.
There are RULES and LAWS about that. Some feel exempt from it.
Whether or not the 2013 Yarnell Hill Fire was both a 'disaster' AND ( hence ) a "Historical Fire" it not a matter of opinion.
Let me show you...
It has been CODIFIED as such.
It has been LEGALLY declared and codified as such at every level that matters... by County, State and Federal agencies.
On the morning of July 1, 2013... Arizona State Governor Jan Brewer SIGNED a 'Declaration of Disaster' for the 2013 Yarnell Hill Fire... and at 10:30 AM that same morning she ANNOUNCED this fact in her first public press conference following the tragic loss of the GM Hotshots.
The same day... the Yavapai County Board of Commissioners officially issued their OWN "Declaration of Disaster" for Yavapai County and the community of Yarnell. This Yavapai County "Declaration of Disaster" was then RATIFIED at the Yavapai County Board of Commissioners meeting on August 5, 2013.
On September 12, 2013... the FEDERAL U.S. Small Business Agency issued their own official "Declaration of Disaster" for the June 30, 2013, Yarnell Hill Fire and the community became immediately available to access funds from their own Federal level Disaster Relief Funds.
So that's the 'full monty' on the Official "Disaster Declarations" at the County, State and FEDERAL levels.
So ALL RECORDS that pertain to the "Historic" Disaster known as the 2013 Yarnell Hill Fire are now ( and have always been ) REQUIRED BY LAW to have a RETENTION PERIOD of PERMANENT ( FOREVER ).
The destruction, tampering or obfuscation of any/all public records related to this Historic disaster would be ILLEGAL.
Consider now, the Arizona State and Local Agencies Retention Schedule for "Firefighting and Prevention" Records GS-1024 Rev 1. which specifically deals with how to preserve "Wildfire Report Records - Historical":
NOTE: As you already know very well... when it mentions 'retention period' in these rules and regulations that ALSO means that for ANYTHING related to the Historic Yarnell Hill Fire... that "retention period" is required by LAW to be PERMANENT ( FOREVER ).
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Consider now, Public Records on the June 30, 2013, AFUE records and June 1990 Dude Fire email thread:
March 7, 2013, City of Prescott transferred out of CITY OF PRESCOTT nothing except Arizona State Forestry did archive these items: Fire investigation reports, fire summary reports, executive summary reports on fires, safety review reports on fires, fire maps, FEMA Financial documents, Fire incident reports, air operations and nothing else- that is fishy to me. Is it to you?
Also, remember when asking for Public Records they went by AZSF not DFFM like they do now. So then, ask for AZSF records not DFFM records because they can say no records under DFFM for 2013 because it was named differently.
All those decades went by, where they never transferred any documents except on the very year my life and Sonny's were almost taken but 19 men lives did die June 30, 2013. Why? Why all those years and decades passed by and nothing, but you decide to move them that YEAR, 2013--- and near the time that VIP meeting happened in Prescott, Arizona. ??? Yeah, I have that too but to avoid litigation because of certain online laws I will keep that "back channel" but a week later the VIP meeting happened.
Last night I had a retired Criminal Investigator pretty much ask when I will hang my towel up and feel I am done with the Yarnell Fire 2013, and I replied more people should have focus on this area to help lessen Wildland Firefighter Fatalities. More people should donate to Wildland Firefighter Foundation, so they have the proper resources to properly help the ones in deep need.
What is different between retired Criminal Investigators/many others and me --- I am not in this for agendas or books or films --- and that was why the past week laid heavy for me because as much as the file belongs in a "tell-all" film or documentary - I am deeply affected and traumatized with current terrible health care even my local medical professionals sent me this:
So then when I saw YCSO sign off on this document and its contents.
Man, I was just looking for the "bad manners" Sgt Ashby recording December 1, 2014. So then, to see a document like I did ---
YCSO and AZSF: you both have a professional and ethical duty to tell the families first - not me --- once you notify me that you did - the rest of the file that I own will be released to the Public at Large.
What you will read below is accession number A-2013-079 Creator Arizona State Forestry Division RG 195 SG 1 FIRE and I confirmed the date ( photo of email thread here ) and they were transferred with Arizona State Archives and it was one week before they met with politicians at an Arizona Academy with Emergency Mgmt and Fire Industry Folks and APS. I want that noted for the Public Records. I have the physical photos yet excluding them for "safe keeping."
Did the SAIT - SAIR document that in their notetaking? Did ADOSH? or the attorneys for the GMIHC and Yarnell homeowners, Craig Knapp or McGroder?
In the entire HISTORY of the Arizona State Forestry, months before the BIGGEST Wildland Fire blunder, they archived these records.
I find that fact peculiar, but even more, so the VIP meeting that occurred one week later. Yet this VIP members at minimum included: Prescott Mayor Marlin Kuykendall (RiP); Hugh Francis Valleye, Yavapai County Emergency Management; Mikel Cole, Arizona Public Service; Marcie Slay, Yavapai County Emergency Management; Chief Mike Kuykendall, Cottonwood Fire Department; Yavapai County Supervisor Craig Brown; Chief Chris Zazain, Sedona Fire Department; Academy Incident Commander Peter Gordon; Denny Foulk, Yavapai County Emergency Management; Tony Sciacca, AWIMA Academy Director; Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett, Liaison Officer Gary Nordyke, PIO-F Celeste Gordon explain the check-in process to Secretary of State Ken Bennett, PIO-F Celeste Gordon with Yavapai County Supervisor Craig Brown and if there were more - that is all I own the records on to prove one week after the files were moved this meeting happened. I wish I was a "fly" on that wall to hear what was actually discussed.
Now, on to some of the file that I wanted to present to YCSO and AZSF to let those entities figure a way to share it to the GMHS / GMIHC families first.
Then I know I went officially through the above chain of command before the rest is released in 2022.
Wow, folks. 19 men died and the two hikers almost did on June 30, 2013, and look at YCSO telling ADOSH a few months later they plan to release and or destroy evidence yet my freaking No Trespassing Signs sit in their evidence box for HOW LONG on a BOGUS alleged claim-- since Summer 2021??? What is wrong with this world?
1-24-22 12pm Update: For my own "mental health" along with others I need to explain the past few weeks.
12-31-21 12:50am, I was praying to post this post here with the documents and writings above to show YCSO, you cannot release and destroy what they had, and I had the proof and show it above.
And meanwhile, I am countering a Criminal case they are building on me JOY A COLLURA June 2021-June 2022.
We can thank YCSO Sgt Ashby and gets full credit because if I was not busy looking for her 12-1-2014 "bad manners towards me" recording - this
'can of worms' would have laid dormant until I was able to get around to it because it was a very voluminous AZSF Public Record. See recent email stating such:
Then, I would have to give G___ Q___ M___ second credit because I was wearing something a family member gave me of G___ Q___ M___ and I was able to find multitude of crucial data that has never been seen publicly as when I held this item- I was given the direct area to search because I was just looking file by file but not when I held this item- I went right to crucial areas within this Public Records.
Once I opened my eyes from praying before I hit publish to post, I saw the inventory content and I really almost died at that very moment.
I had to take a second and then realize I was still alive.
I called "___ " then "___ ". "___ " was asleep but "___ " answered.
The discomfort in my arms, back, neck, jaw, or stomach. I could not seem to breathe, and the chest pains were way too much. All I had in my head was ADOSH Investigator Dave Larsen (RiP) and the pressure, the tightness, the heaviness, oh that burning, agonizing squeezing in my chest that moved to my arms. I thought how 12-21-21 the Wickenburg ER Dr said next time go to another ER- and could I even make that long drive to Phoenix from Congress, Arizona? I felt screwed. I closed my eyes and prayed and concentrated on my breathing.
Soon after, met with a publicist familiar with YHF 2013 and a lawyer. They asked - what the significance is if this document is verified to be as such.
Number 1. This was found in the ADOSH file of the AZSF file I got in a very voluminous Public Records yet was never in the SAIT SAIR or ADOSH official reports - where are the files leading up to why this document was made and where is the file to what happened next. See, this is where I found it:
Number 2. Sesame to Shrine Corridor Dozer Guy.
Why was this dozer guy Paul Morin never interviewed when 19 men died and so many homes destroyed- why am I the only person to have those records and the mechanic notes of the damage done to that dozer?
I do long for the day I can put all these challenges and uncertainties behind me but is this same view shared? It seems just a select amount are still pressing on to get the documented truths out even when being attacked and harassed and people who have used defamation and lies about me too.
As I do know, I am not alone. How many people are waking up every day to the exact same scenario. I just want you to know --- much more needs to be discussed about that weekend June 28-30, 2013.
Prayers for all those with COVID 19 in 2022.
I am sorry you are facing this in your life.
Get Well. Be Brave. God is watching us all.
Notified the Arizona Ombudsman of this post:
The whistleblowing event just got postponed on other end---let's see when it is rescheduled---I was asking for location when the reply email was of the content to cancel on their end...wait and see. Some GMHS/GMIHC family/friends already know but it is how it goes when one follows the "chain of command" ...delays happen.
5-30-22 8:18am- busy day today for me. Happy Memorial Day 2022 to all. In loving Memory to all Fallen -
Yesterday, I had requested my immediate folks to send a proton email and confirmation certain areas would be kept to just them --- the clarification email lacked in its return to me so I am going to share key points of what was discussed with the Department of Forestry and Fire Management May 19 2022 10-11am in regards to their prior entity 2013 Arizona State Forestry on the bottom of this link here: Calling all "Prayer Warriors"- JOY A COLLURA is officially in "whistleblowing" mode in 2022- (yarnellhillfirerevelations.com).
I have a hearing disability, so I do transcribe my journey --- except Idaho in 2021 was my first time zero technology and zero record of that time except my memories I cherish and my plane ticket stubs. God asked me to go without the use of technology much like this Summer 2022 again will happen for me. Freedom away from the Fire arena and just self-healing and self care.... well deserved after almost 9 years of documenting.
The DFFM Bill Boyd/JOY A COLLURA Zoom meeting began 3:21 after 10am 5-19-22:
(some errors above in transcribing my words ---they get was to get)
(some errors above in transcribing my words--- prey is pray. )
I noticed at time of the meeting I used um quite a bit --- nervous to talk about heavy topic and I was being mindful to avoid what was under the redactions so the two others / lawyer / political publicist / investigator can do their areas. I spoke slow and clear.
(some errors above in transcribing my words--- it was not said where it says it never....it was I never at any time... )
Also at 5:10, I am speaking for myself yet I also want to clarify that the two individuals have never spoken about suing either--- for the record.
...I want the World to know these two individuals set this meeting with lawyer/publicist up for me out of one of their pockets so that the information can get out properly.
I also want you all to know I know more than I speak so to be looking for a document for Sgt Ashby from Dec 1 2014 and to see this evidence truly about killed me --- factual ---
that I think the two individuals and the publicist and lawyer have yet to comprehend so I need this public versus waiting waiting waiting especially without a fluidity "touch base" with me because this is not easy stuff because they were not the ones offended in Authority ways like I have been WITH an open current case with YCSO until August 2022 who still have my no trespassing signs in their possession so I need this out sooner than later for that reason alone.
This has zip to do with what sound bites can we come up with for this 9th year anniversary...this is serious stuff people.
(some errors above in transcribing my words---shouldn't be --- should say ---should be. Face is focused above. )
( For the record, I declined- in my mind alone, not spoken elsewhere, but one person knew this outside me- the association to the publicist and allowed this to be the other two individuals connection to that area ---again the lack of fluidity ---because that area knew since January 2022.
and I felt none of them were really trying or doing and none understood this is just part of the whistleblowing phase so if it laid in unspoken manners my way all those months then I rather do it solo but I did commit I would never name the names on the paper to DFFM and I did not yet---they all have until Dec 31 2022 to do that or by then I can share to DFFM the names. )
I have zero agenda but I do have high up Authorities state to me they are building a Criminal case or JOY A COLLURA and it expires August 2022 so I found this evidence important and relative to this bogus case they have towards me
but I felt the very people around me did not understand that fully as this has been one very hard/trying year made towards me the past year legally with false allegations and pure defamations. If a pro bono lawyer wanted to take the case on ---
I would on "civilian to civilian" base but I will not spend my funds knowing how that system up there has worked in the past. Shoot, DJ tried to get an order of protection against me people and in the public records they won't even show what she put down as her reasons --- weird world folks...help a lady carry her stuff to her vehicle and she kindly signs my book and this crap---come on...something is up and now this evidence could be a likely position as to why and the how comes folks...
(I only shared images form this actual post---the redacted images to DFFM)
To clarify- the contractual agreement was I would not name the two on the Evidence sheet to DFFM so those two can do what they plan to do --- it was not a written contract--- more like an understanding since it was a heavy topic.
at 49:31--- Fred wanted this information (transcripts) --- so if I give it to him - it is like who know where it is back channeled so in a sense this Public Record of a Zoom chat is now here and it was not intended to be here, but I know if I share back channel it ends up to how many (unknown names to me) so might as well just place it out- it is a public meeting even if virtual just had no intent to share publicly.
I fully have faith Bill Boyd did not know or seen the stuff I was sharing to him on shared screen which are images from this post here.
Here is my proof I had zero intent to place it public and there was zero reply was the answer, so I had to rethink this all---
I originally was gonna copy and paste but then I thought to Super Dave Basden how he says how does he know as he says 'I can say what I want'.... so for folks like him --- I did not change it to my liking --- NOT MY STYLE, sir but I snipped the actual real time transcripts off - a paid professional rev order, sir:
the only minutes not transcribed was me waiting on Zoom which was appx 5-6 minutes-
the reply avoided my direct question or it's stating only agrees with the receipt of emails & nothing else---- so maybe it was answered and my question again way: "Please identify and clarify that you understand that when the transcripts come in that I will be emailing this email and that you will keep it to yourself- "no calls, texts or emails,etc. of any of the words shared and you are stating you understand this is only for your eyes-" and the reply here:
letting him know it is on the blog vs back channel to his email since he could not agree to refrain from sharing the information as I did ask a direct inquiry --- so since I need YCSO to see DFFM and I have went over the evidence that they gathered --- because I think the evidence deserves a serious look into where the chain of evidence ended and why this data never made it to reports - ???
back to transcriptions:
That is it. So now you get a peak at what DFFM Bill Boyd and I discussed --- after Fred wanted to know and I wanted to keep it tight to only a couple people - I figured this was the best way to present the information and again the two folks who will bringing the redactions to the LIFT UP phase was to help me heal but again my only hope it stays as just unfolding the truths and again I have zero agendas and not sure if they do or not but never know in life...I am with the hope they both carry it to the end and it is preserved in the Arizona State Library Archives some day. I am in MUTE mode even to them and my immediate areas for Summer 2022 so everyone enjoy the Summer---
Let me close this post with this wonderful video Dee S. sent me: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTd76GNdS/?k=1
How many can resonate with that video? God is watching us all. If you are in my immediate space, I have to challenge untruths, lies and omissions. That is who I am. I grow tired of those who ever think I lie or omit because there is zero area to my life that I will refrain to expose to the light. I am truth. Comprehend that.
Any actions I have done, I can explain where it came to fruition. I have watched petty lies over time, and I just need to step away or step back and do self-care for awhile. You know who you are...
I want to have stability in light not darkness. Amen. I really have zero tolerance to anger tones / annoy / argue / fight / listen to you keep cutting me off when I am speaking. Such true disrespect has been shown for why ??? Right.
I am tired of empty conversation(s) of "just eating now for the first time" at 2:30 pm but when you explain your day- you had a full breakfast at 8:30am--- ??? recognize that. To me, it is a cognitive memory concern or something.
Or state this year your deep financial struggles to me but who got a huge lump sum of monies and stated that this week. Things are just confusing anymore. I just feel words no longer matter if that is the kind of delivery I am shown.
I did the difficult right thing and shared to DFFM/YCSO, and I am at peace.
This is always a difficult time of the year for me. I guess because the truths lay as just seeds right now waiting to be watered to flourish.
I get exhausted of certain in and out energies who are not in this for us all. I am happy doing my self-care with minimal incoming communications so I can be the best I can be ---we all should encourage another to do and be our best. I will be drafting this Summer versus posting then publish it in the Fall 2022. I have graduated this year from old cycles.
I hope everyone spends time outdoors more than indoors this Summer 2022.
Happy Father's Day to all and Happy 4th of July --- Happy Birthdays to the Summer Born ---
Update- June 27, 2022, 11:11am: Dec 31, 2021, 12:50 am when I put the GPS coordinates on Google Earth Pro- it came back away from the DZ and near the Helms as explained in this post.
Two days ago, Fred J Schoeffler and Scottie Briggs were looking at property in Yarnell and they both on their technology got different turn out when placing the GPS coordinates on their systems- different to each other but also different to what I screenshot Dec 31, 2021.
On the way to my cerebral cont. care in Scottsdale on highway 71, I tried on my cell Google map and got what I saw on 12-31-21 and I was like ok the guys maybe put it in wrong
but when I tried on my husband's cells that is where I also got different locations using different Lat/Long maps including Google map.
So now that I saw that, and we have zero idea if that is what it is--- there is no professional assessment but my Google Earth Professional app which matches to content on this page ---
I am sharing this transparency event because as we all know on June 30, 2013, my Kestrel gps readings did not match Sonny's garmin's readings for same location marked
so that to me is not always reliable but what IS reliable is the two signatures of the Yavapai County Deputies and we can request them to speak publicly on the items gathered and transported and where they first hand picked up the items.
I would require it under a lie detector test for pure transparency and any pics they took as well to this perm. record significant Historical fire and to avoid the nepotism/crony labels that county has when you do a google search: Sedona Eye » Yavapai County Corruption Alleged
what people do not realize with people like WantsToKnowTheTruth and their tools of investigation- it helps us all when we get the above "block" to dig deeper to get this:
In closing, there are enough first hand people who can confirm Jason C. was not the only one on the BSR land that day and I have a post I am working on this Summer 2022 to prove just that. There are folks who should be telling much more to June 28-30, 2013 Yarnell Hill Fire.
On here I will state right"alleged" Troy--- let's start with your pure testimony done under oath and a lie detector. I also stand by my statement that YCSO can shed more light that never made the SAIT-SAIR and ADOSH reports.
8-1-22 8:01pm: Jerry Payne - maybe you can help me with the above redacted documents - you saw the bodies so you would be the ideal testimony - I would show you the unredacted evidence- reach me JERRY PAYNE. Many people have inquiries for you in regards to this topic--- especially one from Kentucky.
Jerry Payne Interview 8-21-13.pdf (dropbox.com) https://www.dropbox.com/sh/20inrene9tcx74a/AABAvS-Q5ByrYsokb_No3yLRa/ADOSH%20Yarnell%20Hill%20Investigation/AZ%20Forestry%20Division/Employee%20Interviews%20By%20ADOSH/Transcripts/Jerry%20Payne%20Interview%208-21-13.pdf?dl=0
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8-29-22 12:21pm: Yarnell Fire Board Member, Donna Gordon, was one of my testimonies and she was a "truth teller" and during my whistleblowing phase it is a strong area I will document to lead to conclusion vs buying any YCSO PIO release of information and the MEDIA--- I will watch the progression of this--- this was avoidable NOT an accident.
