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4 - Was the June 26,1990, Dude Fire a precursor for the incomplete lessons learned on June 30, 2013

Authors: Douglas Fir, Joy A Collura, and other contributing authors

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You're blessed when you stay on course, walking steadily on the road revealed by God. You're blessed when you follow his directions, doing your best to find him. That's right - you don't go off on your own; you walk straight along the road he set.

You, God, prescribed the right way to live; now you expect us to live it. Oh, that my steps might be steady, keeping to the course you set; Then I'd never have any regrets in comparing my life with your counsel. I thank you for speaking straight from your heart; I learn the pattern of your righteous ways. I'm going to do what you tell me to do; don't ever walk off and leave me. - Psalms 119:1-8

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By reading this blog- it will become much more "obvious" the events of my entire life where God placed me "right here", "right now" to show the World we can all do the "difficult right thing". I have been doing it all these years with no financial incentives like others have received from their paths on the aftermath of the Yarnell Hill Fire.


Actually, God shared with me not only would I lose my 'savings' but much more...friends and so on. To rely solely on Him and He would guide me through this. And He is.


Pete Incardona (Pete the Miner) had his last breath in the early evening of Nov. 1, 2019, and I forever have his account where the Media was camped on June 30, 2013.


Pete was at last, a third generation stone artist, starting with small gem and mineral shows and later 23 years at The Celebration of Fine Art in Scottsdale. He mined, logged and fished in Arizona and Alaska. He made a monster truck before they were a thing, did an Arizona Outdoors segment on removing non-native carp with traps he designed in a boat he built. He worked in the shooting gallery at Legend City, helped to build the bridge at Roosevelt Lake where he later worked as a deputy doing lake search and rescue. He became a good ally of Wickenburg law enforcement and the Wickenburg Fire Department. He built a venue at Mistress Mine in Cave Creek from the ground up. Warner Brothers hired him behind the scenes and on set. He was the dog musher in Steven Segal's 'On Deadly Ground' and spent eight seasons with Ty Pennington on 'Extreme Makeover Home Edition'. He helped with building the Alaska pipeline and in mopping up the Exxon Valdez oil spill. He had art galleries in Cave Creek, Aguila, Wickenburg and Yarnell and his artwork is everywhere.


I mention all the above because the Media is fully aware that in our communities we have lost one third of our people. There is specific Media and Wickenburg folks who also know what I know about what Pete the Miner saw that June 30, 2013. Those people seem to just go on. I see them at the Prescott Wildfire Academy every year. I want the world to know I never "chose" to go to the Academy...that was God. It is the hardest path to do when I know what I know and try to get the documents to show what I know versus 'just words.'


I could write many books just on the many lives lost after the YHF. Maybe in each post I can share time to time one of those we lost.


I remember when Brent Yadon (RIP) (paraplegic) and Sonny Gilligan would share a "Chocolate Soda" (Guiness Stout) together as well as they shared the same birthday (December 10th) and their joys of guitar playing when Brent stated to me something I take to heart as Sonny had been taking off life support...right there in the same VA Hospital- hospice section Brent (57) (View where the Retardant was dropped on LIVE fire from his home) passed away on Christmas Day 2016.


I remember June 24, 2015, at 7:14 PM Brent Yadon with "attitude" and a bit of edge asked Sonny and I: “What piece of information will be the 'closure' information that you hikers would be "satisfied" with and move on?”


Sonny spoke on InvestigativeMEDIA saying: "So my closure will be when I know what actually happened that destroyed nineteen men’s lives. I ask you all on here the same question Brent asked me and Joy."


I wondered about those words as I took Sonny off life support and then he lived. Brent said "thank you Joy for taking the time out of your life to speak for those of us who cannot or will not. I use to be a full man. Healthy and whole. I had an accident. (he explained in length the details) I became a paraplegic. I draft and get on the computer. I never in my life felt like a full man until your visits, Joy. You always looked at me as if I was "okay" like I use to be. I never saw you once look at my limitations.


"When you and Sonny had that argument because he was done with the fire world and you took me up on the Weavers to where the men died up on top. I wanted to tell everyone what you did for me yet you said to me you did not want Sonny to know because he wanted to go too.


"It was a spontaneous moment.


"I want to thank you because I know my family wanted my guitar (Viktor) and Sonny bought it "fair and square" but you tried to get it back for my brother. I have always enjoyed my visits with locals but none like what you did when you came over. I felt whole. I am gonna die, I feel it and all I want is a beer and cigarette." I told Sonny about the beer and cigarette part and they both did share in that. Days before he died we visited for a good while. He grabbed my hand and said "Joy, I want you to know something. I kept stuff in about the YHF. Remember that time I gave you and Sonny an attitude. Some of it was because I had been drinking but also because I had information that would be helpful and I was afraid you would go around locally telling people." (he fully shared details from weeks before YHF to then June 30, 2013 and thereafter and even what happened during the evacuation phase with the Sheriff Posse Jeep phase)


People, it is his personal account and so many others why I stay the course. Eventually, once fully documented I will share to you all what he said. I just want to make sure the entities cannot skate out because I said it prematurely and they make it disappear.


Sonny and I began sharing about Brent Yadon in Chapter XV on InvestigativeMEDIA.


Like an Olympian carrying the torch high, I will proceed forward telling the documented facts while others carry that torch low lighting up the World and Media with lies and fires.

Figure 1. Payson Hot Shots Crew Buggies Photo - Dude Fire - June 27, 1990 - Roberts Mesa Road (FR 29) near Tonto Creek Road junction, where they, along with DMFO Velasco, were told to go to Zane Grey Cabin as it was imminently threatened by fire - Source: Schoeffler Files


Figure 2. Payson Hotshots "Do Photos" as in Hair-Dos from "Spiking Out' without showers for a week at a time - Source: Schoeffler Files


Figures 3a. and 3b.(above) Payson Round Up - June 21, 1991 - (Dude Fire A Year Later - Veteran "fire dog" remembers the battle -"Velasco has been reliving the painful details for almost one full year now but doesn’t believe he would do anything different to control the fire than originally was done. ) Payson Round Up Staff gave verbal approval on 6/9/20 1:03PM to use these photos for our website ) Source: Archive Payson Round Up, Schoeffler Files





Figures 3c. and 3d.(above) Payson Round Up - June 21, 1991 - (Dude Fire A Year Late - Zane Grey Cabin articles) ( Payson Round Up Staff gave verbal approval on 6/9/20 1:03PM to use these photos for our website ) Source: Archive Payson Round Up, Schoeffler Files


HUGE cover-up, lies, and whitewash about Zane Grey Cabin burning down and the USFS doing everything they could to save it. See other Dude Fire posts on this subject


Figures 4a and b. (above) Payson Round Up - June 21 1991 - (Dude Fire A Year Later) ( Payson Round Up Staff gave verbal approval on 6/9/20 1:03PM to use these photos for our website ) Source: Archive Payson Round Up, Schoeffler Files



Figure 4c. and 4d. (above) Payson Round Up - June 21 1991 - (Dude Fire A Year Later) ( Payson Round Up Staff gave verbal approval on 6/9/20 1:03PM to use these photos for our website ) Source: Archive Payson Round Up, Schoeffler Files


Figures 5a. and 5b. (above) Payson Round Up - June 21 1991 - (Dude Fire A Year Later) ( Payson Round Up Staff gave verbal approval on 6/9/20 1:03PM to use these photos for our website ) Source: Archive Payson Round Up, Schoeffler Files

Figures 5c. and 5d. (above) Payson Round Up - June 21 1991 - (Dude Fire A Year Later) ( Payson Round Up Staff gave verbal approval on 6/9/20 1:03PM to use these photos for our website ) Source: Archive Payson Round Up, Schoeffler Files


What follows below are 11 images of the Backbone Newspaper on the Dude Fire and Tonto National Forest Payson Ranger District Fire Personnel Articles:

NEWSPAPER -Back Bone (Payson, Ariz.) 1995-1998

Created / Published. Payson, Ariz. : Cox MultiPrint

Subject Headings-  Payson (Ariz.)--Newspapers-  Gila County (Ariz.)--Newspapers-  Arizona--Gila County-  Arizona--Payson-  United States--Arizona--Gila--Payson

Genre Newspapers

Notes-  Weekly-  [Vol. 1, no. 1] (Mar. 3, 1995)--  Ceased in 1998?-  Volume numbering begins with v.1, no. 2 (Mar. 10, 1995).-  Description based on: Vol. 3, no. 6 (Oct. 10, 1997).



Figure 6a/b-10a/b. FREE "Backbone" Newspaper June 20, 1997 - TNF PRD and Dude Fire stories. Back Page Source: Schoeffler Files


Resource Orders:

Figure 11. Dude Fire (paper form) Crew Resource Order (C- 201 to C-207) Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 12. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order (O-217 to O-226) Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 13. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order (O-227 to O-236) Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 14. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-237 to O-246 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 15. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-247 to O-256 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 16. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-257 to O-265 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 17. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-266 to O-275 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 18. Dude Fire (paper form) Cancelled by SWCC on 6/29/90 - Overhead Resource Order O-276 to O-285 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 19. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-286 to O-288 Cancelled by SWCC on 6/29/90 O-289 to O-295 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 20. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-296 to O-305 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 21. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-306 to O-315 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 22. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-316 to O-325 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 23. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-326 to O-335 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 24. Dude Fire (paper form) Resource Order O-336 to O-344 Source: Schoeffler Files


Figure 25. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-345 to O-357 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 26. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-361 to O-367 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 27. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-368 to O-376 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 28. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-377 to O-386 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 29. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-387 to O-398 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 30. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-399 to O-408 Source: Schoeffler Files



Figure 31. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-409 to O-417 Source: Schoeffler Files



Figure 32. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order )-418 to O-426 Source: Schoeffler Files



Figure 33. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order 427 to O-435 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 34. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-436 to O-445 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 35. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-446 to O455 Source: Schoeffler Files



Figure 36. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Order O-456 to O-464 Source: Schoeffler Files


Figure 37 Dude Fire (paper form) Crew Resource Order (Stand-by) C-1 to C-3 Source: Schoeffler Files


Figure 38. Dude Fire (paper form) Supply Resource Order S-27 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 39. Dude Fire (paper form) Supply Resource Order S-56 (21 motel rooms for IMT) Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 40. Dude Fire (paper form) Supply Resource Order S-630 (Cable TV Documentary Fire - Perryville Incident) Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 41. Dude Fire (paper form) Crew Resource Order C-1 (Type2 Crew for stand-by at Roosevelt Lake) Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 42. Dude Fire (paper form) Crew Resource Order C-2 and C-3 (Two Type I Crews for stand-by in Prescott, AZ Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 43. Dude Fire (paper form) Equipment Resource Orders E-30 and E-31 (Cargo vans) Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 44. Dude Fire (paper form) Equipment Resource Orders E-32 to E-36 (Misc) Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 45. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc local Initial and Extended Attack OH and IMT) O-1 to O-10 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 46. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc local Extended Attack OH and IMT) O-16 to O-25 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 47. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc local Extended Attack OH and IMT) O-36 to O-42 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 48. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc local Extended Attack OH and IMT) O-93 to O-103 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 49. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Type II and IMT) No individual O #s listed Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 50. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Helicopter Modules ) O-2 to O-5 Cancelled Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 46. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc IMT) O-43 to O-49 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 47. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc local Extended Attack OH and IMT) O-50 to O-56 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 48. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc local Extended Attack OH and IMT) O-57 to O-63 (some cancelled) Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 49. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc LEO OH and IMT) O-64 to O-70 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 50. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc Safety Officer OH and IMT) O-71 to O-77 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 50. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Finance and two Safety Officers IMT) O-71, O=81, O-127 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 51. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Safety Officers and Timekeepers IMT) O-78 to O-84 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 52. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc OH IMT) O-85 to O-92 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 53. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc OH IMT) O-103 to O-112 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 54. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc OH IMT) O-103 to O-112 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 55. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc OH IMT) O-124 to O-131 Source: Schoeffler Files

Figure 56. Dude Fire (paper form) Overhead Resource Orders (Misc OH IMT) O-132 to O-139 Source: Schoeffler Files


I will continue Figure 57 and on in the next post I will name it Part 4A and on with the long thread of paper resource orders as well as the Post 5 ending with Dr. Ted Putnam and Tom Story.


I did take the time out and attempt to contact every full name on the resource orders not initials and abbreviated names.


What I found is some on the Resource Orders has outdated contact information, deceased, one Div Sup back then wrote back to me asap "not interested", some stated they knew something was 'off' or not told on the Dude Fire yet moved on because they did not know the people who died, Some did not like how the Prison Crew was Memorialized yet they saw too much funds went to the June 2013 Fire Fatality compared to any other Fire Fatality-the fire I was on (YHF) - and that hurts them to this day the disrespect and lack of honoring, one family received the President's letter and told minimal information, one Prison Crew member was falsely in prison (race), too many with the exact same name, etc.

I should send the USDA an invoice for all my time and energy of presenting what should have been done thirty years ago to ensure "complete lessons learned" were told. Instead, we had people who were on this Dude Fire think "there was no one person who fact checked and verified as you all have. All I can say is 'thank you.'" It has now been thirty years that has gone by, yet they also never knew God was watching this entire time.


Again, are you leaving with the same question? "Was the June 26,1990, Dude Fire a precursor for the "incomplete" lessons learned on June 30, 2013"?














6-22-13 1:29pm Chris MacKenzie IMG_0869 

Source: Yavapai County Records/SAIT Report/Documents.

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