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Part One - Who Do We Continue to Distinguish And Read About as the Likely Participants in the Undeni

Part One - Who Do We Continue to Distinguish And Read About as the Likely Participants in the Undeniable Sesame to Shrine Corridor Fuel / Fire Break Possible Firing Operation?


2018-08-19 | Arizona Desert Walker Joy A. Collura and contributing other(s)

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"The more numerous the number of observations and the less they vary among themselves the more their results approach the truth." Pierre-Simon, Marquis De LaPlace (A Philosophical Essay on Probabilities page 73)

Consider now Marquis De LaPlace's quote above in the context of the Yarnell Hill Fire (YH Fire) on June 30, 2013. The number of convincing photos and videos of obvious smoke columns (plumes) in the Sesame Street and Shrine Corridor Fuel / Fire Break area are numerous and vary little among themselves, so the more these results seem to approach the truth of a Firing Operation.

This is for the naysayers and doubters that refuse to believe that the photos and videos presented here on this website show the possible progression of a firing operation and the steady succession of smoke columns (plumes), vouched for by numerous current and former Wildland Firefighters (WFs), and the resultant even and uniform fire edges.

There was always the possibility that these smoke columns (plumes) were generated by "ember storms" and flying embers. However, the spot fires and associated smoke columns (plumes) from these embers would generally show up as clusters and not in a uniformed linear fashion as repeatedly shown in the Sesame Street and Shrine Corridor Fuel / Fire Break area smoke columns (plumes). Keep in mind, spot fires are almost always with the wind, rarely against or into the wind.

Let's remember that one of the several contributing research specialists for a well-known author talked with a WF about his experience during a subsequent visit to the YH Fire. They had sometime later discussed the topic of whether a firing operation had occurred in this area because of a general consensus among many WFs on that tactic. That comment triggered one of the research specialists to recall that they had found burnt fusees in that area along/near the Sesame Street and Shrine Road Corridor during their subsequent site visit after the YH Fire. Fusees are a common tool used to ignite fires; they are a longer and longer-burning version of a common road flare.

Figure 1. Fusees defined in the SAIR. Source: SAIT-SAIR


SAIT-SAIR link ( https://sites.google.com/site/yarnellreport/ ) Link to terminology: ( https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B36DIycSgbzWSUtjNkl1Z2ROT0k/edit )

Note: It is very interesting that the SAIT-SAIR definition of fusees is: "widely used to ignite backfires." So then, we have to ask the question, why were burnt fusees found in that Sesame to Shrine Corridor Fuel / Fire Break area, as one WF stated to another WF (one being a Research Specialist) that re-visited the site after the fire?

Check out the short video clip below. This occurs on all wildland fires and the denser the fuels, the more embers that are generated. It's like a virtual snowstorm of embers, but it is instead a literal storm of hot, flying, rolling, sailing embers.

Figure 1a. YouTube video clip of "driving through an [Australian bushfire] ember attack". Source: YouTube; Flame Sniffer WD Published on Jan 14, 2010.

You will find that Part 2 contains a lot of reading material. It begins with the Wildland Fire Lessons Learned Center (WLFLLC) Ground Truths - Now What? This entire post will entail two (2) separate posts (same title with Part 2) and will consist of "Two More Chains" article titled: "by Travis Dotson with some questionable conclusions and comparisons., (i.e. news articles, the heavily redacted, yet informative Blue Ridge Hotshots (BRHS) Unit Logs; DIVS Rance Marquez's Unit Log; and in part two the following: " by Travis Dotson (Summer 2013, Vol. 3, Issue 2). He compares and contrasts the Yarnell Hill Fire (2013) and South Canyon Fire (1994) Investigations. There are also many more "Interview Notes" ( "notes compiled from recollections of, discussions between, the accident team members who interviewed people involved with the [YH Fire]") notably unredacted, yet informative, of many WFs and Supervisors, including the BRHS. I also include a May 29, 2018, WFLLC "Two More Chains" article titled: "Underslung Heroes" where I feel Dotson makes some dubious statements and conclusions.

Figure 2. Google Earth idealized image, looking Northwest (using "Snipping tool") indicating up-slope alignment of the Sesame Street To Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor (upper center black horizontal arrows) to the parallel chimneys / chutes / washes (vertical curved black lines) leading up to the GMHS deployment zone. Boulder Springs Ranch (BSR) / Helms in the center right. Source: Paint and Yavapai County Records Request 7-9-14\Audio video recordings\Video Files; FA42 IMG_1584.MOV July 4, 2013, 2:34pm

Figure 2a. Google Earth idealized image (using "Snipping tool"), looking North along teal-colored sight-line form "Area 1" where photo was taken (black rectangle) aligning directly over the top of the BSR / Helms property (lowest yellow pin). The upper-right red horizontal solid line is the Sesame Street To Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor. The two parallel solid red horizontal lines in the upper center are the washes / chutes / chimneys along an up-slope alignment leading up to the GMHS deployment zone. Boulder Springs Ranch (BSR) / Helms in the center right. The solid black curved line from the Area 1 box to the right "where Tex Gilligan parked" is the approximate hiking route we took back to Tex's vehicle. Source: Google Earth and Snipping Tool and Paint

Figure 3. Photo series (3,3a,3b,3c) of smoke columns (plumes) and fire behavior between 2:30 PM and 3:30 PM (1430 and 1530) that appeared "suddenly and out of nowhere" based on best-guess time estimates from memory and proximate notes because time stamps not accurate on camera; the plumes are in the direction of the BSR / Helms / Sesame Street to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor. Source: Joy A. Collura

Note: One could easily identify the time of this photo by researching the records for the Tanker 910 June 30, 2013, flights. Or they may be in the 3-ring binder(s) of the USDA/USFS Aerial Firefighting Utilization and Effectiveness (AFUE) Study they keep refusing to release these public records and deny they even exist.

Figure 3a. Photo from Lone Ocotillo Trail. Photo series of smoke columns (plumes) and fire behavior that appeared "suddenly and out of nowhere" between 2:30 PM and 3:30 PM (1430 and 1530) based on best-guess time estimates from memory and proximate notes because time stamps not accurate on camera in the direction of the BSR / Helms / Sesame Street to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor. Source: Joy A. Collura

Figure 3b. Photo series of smoke columns (plumes) and fire behavior between 2:30 PM and 3:30 PM (1430 and 1530) that appeared "suddenly and out of nowhere" based on best-guess time estimates from memory and proximate notes because time stamps not accurate on camera in the direction of the BSR / Helms / Sesame Street to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor. DC-10 Tanker 910 (link to my photo below) is visible in the left center. Source: Joy A. Collura

( https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q1z2nd2Tk2B9PGF77 ) Link to photo of DC-10 Tanker 910

( https://photos.app.goo.gl/YHy5wic4DxLvVY1Z6 ) Link to photo since it is widescreen panoramic

Figure 3c. Above link leads to photo as widescreen panoramic view only included in this series of smoke columns (plumes) and fire behavior between 2:30 PM and 3:30 PM (1430 and 1530) that appeared "suddenly and out of nowhere"based on best-guess time estimates from memory and proximate notes because time stamps not accurate on camera. Source: Joy A. Collura

Figure 4. IMT Fire Behavior Analyst (FBAN) Byron Kimball public records photo (unknown if Kimball was photographer) indicating fire behavior in the Sesame Street to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor, on the YH Fire on June 30, 2013, at 5:05 PM (1705) in the metadata insert. However, the "Name 1647 Fire at Structures Yarnell North End 06_30 Properties" suggests that the photo was actually taken at 4:47 PM (1647). Source: Yavapai County Records Request 7-9-14\SAIT Report and Documents\F-Photos And Videos\A14-20130630 Byron Kimball Photos

Figure 4a. Google Earth Street View (current) of where the photographer took the FBAN Kimball Figure 4. photo above was taken based on the camera GPS metadata, obviously minus the fire behavior. Compare the utility pole and transformer and wires seen in both Figure 4 and 4a. (angle is approximate) Source: Google Earth

Figure 4b. Google Earth Snipping Tool image indicating June 30, 2013, photographer's site (bottom right indicated with large white arrow); westerly (277.5 degrees) line-of-sight (yellow vertically diagonal line) toward the Sesame Street to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor (solid red northwesterly diagonal line); two parallel washes / chutes / chimneys (solid red, northwesterly parallel, diagonal lines); Boulder Springs (BSR) / Helms (labeled yellow pin); yellow pin at upper diagonal line terminus is GMHS Deployment Site. The June 30, 2013, photo in Figure 4, notes it was "Modified Sunday, June 30, 2013, 5:05:02 PM" (1705) in the metadata insert in Figure 4. The insert also interestingly notes: "1647 Fire at Structures Yarnell North End 06_30 Properties." However, the photo labelled "1647" highly suggests that the photo was actually taken at 4:47 PM (1647). Source: Google Earth, Paint, and Snipping Tool

Figure 4c. FBAN Byron Kimball Unit Log (two images) Snipping Tool images noting increased June 30, 2013, (1615 & 1645) fire behavior, fire movement observations, including the notation "(Photos)," one of which is shown above in Figure 4c in red outlined rectangle. Source: Yavapai County Records Request 7-9-14\SAIT Report and Documents

Figure 4d. Interview Notes excerpt from Chris Horyza (YH Fire position unknown) AZ BLM Planning and Environmental Coordinator at the time of the YH Fire. Snipping Tool image of Unit Log regarding June 30, 2013, 1630 (4:30 PM) what Horyza noted as "obvious ... extreme fire behavior" observations with the "fire ... continuing to push south" containing "fire-whirls ... that extended 200 feet in the air." (emphasis added) Source: Yavapai County Records Request 7-9-14 \ SAIT Report and Documents

Figure 4e. Snipping Tool/ Paint; Zoom and Crop used for the image of an actual YH Fire Smoke Whirl/Plume/Column near Model Creek on June 30, 2013. This complements both Esquibel and Horyza's fire behavior observations noted above and below. Source: Anonymous-by-Request

Note: Typically, when fire behavior is increasing in one sector of a fire, it is increasing in other areas as well.

Figure 4f. Idealized image indicating the Figure 4e. photographer's angle; above ground view. Yellow push pin in bottom center is where the photograph was taken June 30, 2013, that complements others' statements of seeing 200 ft. smoke whirls / plumes / columns. The single red line (upper center) is Sesame Street and Shrine Fuel/Fire Break Corridor. The two parallel red lines are the washes / chutes / chimneys aligned upslope to the Deployment Site (uppermost yellow "DZ" pin) Source: Google Earth, Snipping Tool

Figure 4g. Current Google Earth view indicating the photographer's (Figure 4e.) area at street view of the Model Creek School as shown on the sign. Source: Google Earth / Snipping Tool

Figure 4h. Showing the photographer's (Figure 4e.) angle above ground. Source: Google Earth / Snipping Tool

Horyza's fire behavior observations indicate that the outflow of North winds are occurring and the fire behavior is becoming more aggressive and it complements TFLD(T) Esquibel's fire behavior observations in his Unit Log.

What follows is Peoria FD FF Tyson Esquibel's (Task Force Leader 2 - Trainee) Unit Log regarding his actions and his astute fire behavior observations that he witnessed on the June 30, 2013, (1620-1645) YH Fire. The investigators slanted scanned captures are less than optimal.

Figure 5. Peoria FD FF Tyson Esquibel's (Task Force Leader - Trainee) Unit Log regarding his actions on June 30, 2013, noted at 1445, to improve the dozer line toward the Shrine Road for a later burnout operation. Increased aggressive fire behavior is astutely noted at 1610 (Horizontal Roll Vortices - HRV) and from 1620 to 1630 Resources movements to Safety Zones. At 1632 Esquibel noted that "Structure Protection Specialist 1" (Gary Cordes) "request[ed] 1 [one] Engine to the BSR" all highlighted within the red rectangular text boxes. Source: Yavapai County Records Request 7-9-14\SAIT Report and Documents

It is particularly instructive that TFLD(T) Tyson Esquibel, a hybrid municipal FF, recognized Horizontal Roll Vortices (HRV) fire behavior for what it was, an indicator of very extreme burning conditions. The publication listed below is excellent; it details extreme fire behavior and covers HRVs quite well. There is also a Part 2 version. Chapter 7 begins to cover Vortices and Wildland Fire and HRV begins on p. 95.

Synthesis of Knowledge of Extreme Fire Behavior: Volume I for Fire Managers by authors Paul A. Werth, Brian E. Potter, Craig B. Clements, Mark A. Finney, Scott L. Goodrick, Martin E. Alexander, Miguel G. Cruz, Jason A. Forthofer, and Sara S. McAllister. USDA Forest Service, Pacific Northwest Research Station, General Technical Report, PNW-GTR-854, November 2011. ( https://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/pnw_gtr854.pdf ) Link here. You can order these by mailing or emailing to the address on the inside cover (they are free - your tax dollars at work).

Figure 5a. Idealized image of Horizontal Roll Vortices. Source: Finney, M.A. et al (2015) Role of buoyant flame dynamics in wildfire spread. PNAS. ( http://www.pnas.org/content/112/32/9833 ) Link here

Figure 5b. Bass River Fire July 22, 1977; New Jersey Pine Barrens. Eagleswood Volunteer Fire Department Four Fatalities (the FFs in this photograph all died as a result of the extreme HRV fire behavior in the photo) Source: NIFC Training Library Archive and WFLLC Incident Reviews - Bass Fire. ( https://www.wildfirelessons.net/orphans/viewincident?DocumentKey=ec1e4b8e-3604-4785-bb1d-fa420c7ef43f ) Link here

Consider now the ongoing involvement of the Peeples Valley FD and "Firefighter" Bob Brandon. The green highlighted text will be my comments regarding quotes within the various articles and/or posts. I will use the green text elsewhere in other areas as well to add clarity and to reduce confusion as to what was posted and what were comments to those posts.

"Bob Brandon Gets Caught in the Firestorm, Helps Rebuild" ( http://www.yarnellhillrecoverygroup.org/os_bob_brandon.html - link ) "The Yarnell Hill Recovery Group - Our Stories - Bob Brandon - Peeples Valley Firefighter Bob Brandon’s own words." (Figure 6 below)

"On June 30, [2013] 7:30 a.m., we all met for a briefing at Model Creek School, which was the Incident Command Post. The commander said we were in a sector, I don't remember if it was Zulu or not. But we were to go down Shrine as far as we could go to that abandoned house that's at the end. (all emphasis added) This is the Sesame Street to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor.

"Peeples Valley had two trucks. I was the tender driver. We were to go to that ranch house and then into the black area, the burned area west of that house, and we were to start clearing a roadway for a firebreak to connect with a bulldozer that would be coming from Glen Ilah so the fire could not come back into Yarnell." (all emphasis added) This is the Sesame Street to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor.

"But we were to go down Shrine as far as we could go to that abandoned house that's at the end. Peeples Valley had two trucks. I was the tender driver. We were to go to that ranch house and then into the black area, the burned area west of that house, and we were to start clearing a roadway for a firebreak to connect with a bulldozer that would be coming from Glen Ilah so the fire could not come back into Yarnell. ... I was just sitting by my tanker taking pictures of it because it was just kind of an awesome site [sic]. When he pushed though the woods and got to our location, all of a sudden, he turned around, did a 180 and took off. He never finished the roadway he was supposed to do for us. We were confused because now we had to finish it by ourselves. ... About that time, the Blue Ridge Hot Shots arrived on our scene and they started to march in. It was actually a two-pronged attack on this road we were supposed to be cutting. We were to the north and they were to the south of us along the bulldozed road. ..." (all emphasis added) This is the Sesame Street to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor.

"Then the sky started really looking funny. To that point we never had any smoke or fire to speak of that was threatening us. The fire was quite a ways away, about a mile. My lookout came down off the mountain and said that there was a problem because he just got the weather report and they talked about the changing winds, but he didn't understand what it meant." (all emphasis added) "The fire was quite a ways away, about a mile," then it's on top of them? What happened and where did this fire come from?

"We looked up behind Boulder Mountain [local vernacular for the general Sesame Street to Shrine area] and we noticed that the fire was standing straight up, right behind Boulder Mountain [local vernacular for the general Sesame Street to Shrine area] about 100 feet high. And we're thinking, That's not right. Because the fire was way north of us, clear up to Peeples Valley. ... " (all emphasis added) This matches what I posted in the Figure 3 photo series above of smoke columns (plumes) that appeared "suddenly and out of nowhere."

"The next day [July 2, 2013] they took us in and debriefed us. This was two days after the incident with the 19 [July 2, 2013]. They went through and looked at my pictures and took a flash card of them. And I don't know what they did with them, but it was pretty good because my pictures had timelines on them, so they could see what happened at what time. Then they took information off our cellphones because that's how we talked to, texted, each other. And those all had timelines on them, too. What time we were there. What time we were aware that the fire was about to overtake us. What time we got out. And some of the texts about whether we were safe." (all emphasis added). Where are these photos? And why have they been denied as existing in ongoing FOIA/PA Requests for myself and others?

This is the flowing paragraph consolidated version of what Peeples Valley Fire Department (PVFD) Bob Brandon recounted above: they "... were to go down Shrine as far as we could go to that abandoned house that's at the end. ... to start clearing a roadway for a firebreak to connect with a bulldozer that would be coming from Glen Ilah so the fire could not come back into Yarnell. ... to go down Shrine as far as we could go to that abandoned house that's at the end. ... to start clearing a roadway for a firebreak to connect with a bulldozer that would be coming from Glen Ilah so the fire could not come back into Yarnell. ... I was just sitting by my tanker taking pictures of it because it was just kind of an awesome site [sic]. ... the Blue Ridge Hot Shots arrived ... It was actually a two-pronged attack on this road we were supposed to be cutting. We were to the north and they were to the south of us along the bulldozed road. ... Then the sky started really looking funny. To that point we never had any smoke or fire to speak of that was threatening us. The fire was quite a ways away, about a mile. ... We looked up behind Boulder Mountain [local vernacular for the general Sesame Street to Shrine area] and we noticed that the fire was standing straight up, right behind Boulder Mountain ... That's not right. Because the fire was way north of us, clear up to Peeples Valley. ... The next day [July 2, 2013] they took us in and debriefed us. ... looked at my pictures and took a flash card of them. And I don't know what they did with them, but it was pretty good because my pictures had timelines on them, ... they took information off our cellphones ... And those all had timelines on them, ... And some of the texts. (emphasis added)

All of the above bolded excerpts put together in paragraph form immediately above are definitely referring to the Sesame Street to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor and the Firing Operation, including the fact that he gave the SAIT "Investigators" his and others' photos and cell phone data and copied to "flash cards" and these are nowhere to be found and even denied to exist in recent FOIA Requests as detailed in the following paragraph.

The following is based on a FOIA Request filed with the USDA Forest Service. Peeples Valley Fire Department (PVFD) Bob Brandon, engaged in wildland firefighting on the June 30, 2013, Yarnell Hill Fire (YH Fire) in Sesame Street and Shrine area. According to other public records, the YH Fire Serious Accident Investigation Team (SAIT) investigators Jim Karels and Randy Okon interviewed PVFD Bob Brandon on or about July 8, 2013. According to these public records, PVFD Brandon and other PVFD firefighters took over thirty (30) photographs on the June 30, 2013, YH Fire while engaged in The Shrine area. These photos were then given to USFS Incident Commander (IC) Clay Templin and/or his Type 1 IMT (Incident Management Team) and then exchanged with USFS Co-Team YH Fire SAIT Leader Mike Dudley in the form of a disk or “jump drive” or some other format on or about July 2013. According to these public records, USFS IMT IC Clay Templin stated it was PVFD Bob Brandon that gave IC Templin a “jump drive” and the IMT copied Brandon’s photos onto one of the “Smart Source laptops” which produced a CD for the YH Fire SAIT once they arrived. Dudley, Templin, and/or other USDA/USFS Employees have these public records in their possession.

However, recent FOIA Requests for the above information have come back negative, (i.e. "no records responsive to your request"). They fall into the category below of men and women who think they are above the law and of themselves as being unaccountable.

There is no evil under the sun but what is to be dreaded from men, who may do what they please with impunity: They seldom or never stop at certain degrees of mischief when they have power to go farther; but hurry on from wickedness to wickedness, as far and as fast as human malice can prompt human power.

It is nothing strange, that men, who think themselves unaccountable, should act unaccountably.

— Thomas Gordon, Cato’s Letters No. 33 (1721)

Bob Brandon Gets Caught in the Firestorm, Helps Rebuild.Sesame Street and Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor and Firing Operation red outlined boxes " Relevant below.

( www.yarnellhillrecoverygroup.org/os_bob_brandon.html ) This link is still active, and references are within the article. Consider now an undated Yarnell Hill Recovery Group.org article written within the first year after the Yarnell Hill Fire, and it was posted on their website titled: "Yarnell Hill Fire Recovery Group"

Figure 6. PDF document converted to a JPEG image of the article titled: "Bob Brandon Gets Caught in the Firestorm, Helps Rebuild." My emphasized quotes above are from this post. The highlighted red rectangles are basically the same information quoted and emphasized above. Although the link is still active, it has been removed from the Yarnell Hill Recovery Group.org archives, so there is no way to confirm the date other than it was written within the first year or so after the YH Fire tragedy. Source: Yarnell Hill Recovery Group.org

Based on on Bob Brandon's dubious statements above regrading the distance he drove, what follows is breakdown (solid yellow line) of what 2-1/2 miles out from the Shrine Road actually "looks like." We know from the articles that PVFD "Firefighter" Bob Brandon was in the Sesame Street and Shrine Road Corridor area, So then, using the Google Earth Ruler Tool, I broke down each segment in Figures 6a to 6i of the alleged journey and come up with 1.28 miles and if he was coming to the Shrine Area from the Shrine Road, that puts him out by the Old Grader site or past it on the Weaver Mountains.

On the afternoon of July 20, 2018; 3:26 PM, I called Bob Brandon to clarify the status of my long overdue, June 2016 Public Records Request on the YH Fire because he is now PVFD Fire Chief Bob Brandon. He seems to think he is exempt from the AZ Public Records Act when he told me over the phone that he didn't have to give me any records because "you are not part of our Fire Department." I told him that it didn't matter and then he hung up on me. I reported his actions to the AZ Ombudsman and the AZ Attorney General. (The audio recording of this conversation will be coming in another post.)

In addition, neither the AZ Ombudsman nor the AZ Attorney General have replied to this legal Records Request complaint. PVFD stated to the Ombudsman that they gave the Requester "Joy A. Collura" everything, This is NOT factual. I did NOT get my requested records. Yet the PVFD tells me that the BLM has them, then the BLM tells me that PVFD has them because they are the record custodian, then PVFD tells me that AZ State Forestry has them, and AZ State Forestry states the PVFD are the Record Custodians. Smoke and mirrors. What kind of shell game are they playing here?

So then, I am just calling bullshit on a bullshit.

Figure 6a. Google Earth and Snipping Tool idealized image indicating that Bob Brandon is full of feculence with his statement that he drove approximately 2-1/2 miles back to the Shrine. In the above image, Bob Brandon said he drove to the Shrine and it was 2.5 miles??? from ???? These "???" designate when I question where was he coming from out in the dirt road areas that equals 2.5 miles. Yellow line on this image shows 2.5 miles out which is on the Weavers. Source: Google Earth

Figure 6b. Google Earth and Snipping Tool idealized image indicating that Bob Brandon is full of feculence with his statement that he drove approximately 2-1/2 miles back to the Shrine. Yellow line here is the segment measurement out from the Shrine to the start of the Sesame to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor designated by the red line. Source: Google Earth

Figure 6c. Google Earth and Snipping Tool idealized image indicating that Bob Brandon is full of feculence with his statement that he drove approximately 2-1/2 miles back to the Shrine. Yellow line here is the segment measurement out from the Shrine to the start of the Sesame to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor designated by the red line. Source: Google Earth

Figure 6d. Google Earth and Snipping Tool idealized image indicating that Bob Brandon is full of feculence with his statement that he drove approximately 2-1/2 miles back to the Shrine.Yellow line here is the segment measurement out from the Shrine to the start of the Sesame to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor designated by the red line. Parallel double red lines designate washes / chutes / chimneys leading upslope to the Deployment Zone. Source: Google Earth

Figure 6e. Google Earth and Snipping Tool idealized image indicating that Bob Brandon is full of feculence with his statement that he drove approximately 2-1/2 miles back to the Shrine. Yellow line here is the segment measurement out from the Shrine to the start of the Sesame to Shrine Fuel / Fire Break Corridor designated by the red line. Source: Google Earth